Changes to reviews to improve credibility of this site to people who trust their ears over instrumentation measurements

[Deleted member 77012]

The previous moderation team thought you all couldn't be trusted to have a peaceful conversation

So you started a »peaceful monologue« instead? In reaction to and based on the opinion of a no longer existing moderation team? Well ...

 

[kyuu]

The notion that there was any notable amount of "toxicity" here seems pretty disingenuous.

On the off-topic topic, I'm going to say quite a lot of moderator bandwidth would be required based on the fact that people of a certain bent with an obvious political axe to grind can't even restrain themselves in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with that topic.

 

[chelgrian]

Larger discussion about who does what is beyond this thread that is ill positioned from the start. If there is more beef behind it than a OP should start a new thread.

It is clear to all "adult" members that measurements are the key to choosing the right equipment. Speakers, that take most of the credit for the great or terrible performance (assuming the path to them is transparent enough) are the bottleneck, but then "by ear" evaluation is just as useless as no evaluation at all. I like blue cars, but someone likes them black - no point in discussing that?

It’s slightly more nuanced than that, the measurements tell you if the equipment is competently designed according to a set of design goals. All sorts of people actually prefer the sound of equipment with specific defects which are revealed by the measurements. This is absolutely fine as long as it’s acknowledged that their preference corresponds to some specific feature of the measurements like a treble hump for examples, what is going to get push back is attributing it to magic pixie dust.

Equally if a properly conducted ABX test identified a difference at the five sigma level between two devices which supposedly measured exactly or very nearly the same then we know there is a difference not revealed by the current set of measurements and it thus needs investigation as to what this hypothetical mystery parameter is and how to measure it.

That’s how the state of the art advances.

 

[Salt]

Equally if a properly conducted ABX test identified a difference at the five sigma level between two devices which supposedly measured exactly or very nearly the same then we know there is a difference not revealed by the current set of measurements and it thus needs investigation as to what this hypothetical mystery parameter is and how to measure it.

References?

 

[Oddball]

It’s slightly more nuanced than that, the measurements tell you if the equipment is competently designed according to a set of design goals. All sorts of people actually prefer the sound of equipment with specific defects which are revealed by the measurements. This is absolutely fine as long as it’s acknowledged that their preference corresponds to some specific feature of the measurements like a treble hump for examples, what is going to get push back is attributing it to magic pixie dust.

Equally if a properly conducted ABX test identified a difference at the five sigma level between two devices which supposedly measured exactly or very nearly the same then we know there is a difference not revealed by the current set of measurements and it thus needs investigation as to what this hypothetical mystery parameter is and how to measure it.

That’s how the state of the art advances.

This kind of thinking is absolutely wrong. All defects can be replicated by wrong room EQ. If anyone wants that. Pairings things, I would think, is the thing of the past? It’s really simple - choose good measuring gear and tune it to your room with best room EQ yo can afford.

 

[amirm]

So you started a »peaceful monologue« instead? In reaction to and based on the opinion of a no longer existing moderation team? Well ...

The thread was created while the moderation team was here as a solution to their concerns. Indeed, it was their demand to have it deleted and apologies extended to everyone which led to their departure.

Remember, the other side need not say anything as their wishes is granted in the form of tariffs in place. It is the other side which feels like their voices are not heard. There is very large and positive support for my blog thread, both inside the forum and outside. Most everyone is happy that *someone* is at least bringing a voice to this issue. Sure, a few are upset but far, far more people were upset when we did not allow any discussion on the topic.

 

[SKBubba]

This site desperately needs relaxed, paper and pen noted long term listening preferably with friends helping out, prior to measurements in the reviews.

Lol. Read the room.

 

[Esprit]

7dB in room noise-floor!!!

Anechoic chamber?

 

[Deleted member 77012]

Remember, the other side need not say anything as their wishes is granted in the form of tariffs in place.

Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election five months ago? Are you really going to say that this majority went totally wrong?

 

[Salt]

The thread was created while the moderation team was here as a solution to their concerns. Indeed, it was their demand to have it deleted and apologies extended to everyone which led to their departure.

Remember, the other side need not say anything as their wishes is granted in the form of tariffs in place. It is the other side which feels like their voices are not heard. There is very large and positive support for my blog thread, both inside the forum and outside. Most everyone is happy that *someone* is at least bringing a voice to this issue. Sure, a few are upset but far, far more people were upset when we did not allow any discussion on the topic.

Policies should be for everyone, if I remember the ex-Mods direction correctly.
Of course the discussion of tariffs is all around ... and discussing it here, in a technical forum, will change the direction to
..."Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election three months ago? Are you really going to say that this majority went totally wrong?"....
as well.
Do we want this (open question)?

 

[RayDunzl]

But how open is a discussion platform if its boss is leading a closed monologue?

Probably about 99.999%

 

[RayDunzl]

Of course the discussion of tariffs is all around ... and discussing it here, in a technical forum, will change the direction to
..."Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election three months ago? Are you really going to say that this majority went totally wrong?"

Don Van Vliet summed it up well for me given the title of one of his musical creations:

"The dust blows forward, and the dust blows back".

 

[Chr1]

Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election five months ago? Are you really going to say that this majority went totally wrong?

Perhaps. I would put money on a large percentage of that majority regretting the way they voted a year from now.

To be fair. I think a lot of folks just wanted a change. Any change.
Seems to happen a lot.

Politics. Same shit. Different day. Rinse and repeat.
A kind of unfunny groundhog day.
My 2c.
(Jaded, moi?)

 

[HalSF]

Perhaps. I would put money on a large percentage of that majority regretting the way they voted a year from now.

And since we're into measurement here. the non-landslide "majority" currently having their faces eaten by leopards was 49.8% of the population that voted, representing 22.6% of the total U.S. population, vs. 48.3% of votes cast for the losing candidate, or 22% of the total U.S. population and 1.5% votes less than the winner.

 

[Deleted member 77012]

the "majority" was 49.8% of the population that voted, representing 22.6% of the total U.S. population, vs. 48.3% of votes cast for the losing candidate, or 1.5% votes less than the winner and 22% of the total U.S. population.

Cute! Would you please recapitulate this based on Biden’s electing four years earlier? Thanks an awful lot!

 

[RickS]

Cute! Would you please recapitulate this based on Biden’s electing four years earlier? Thanks an awful lot!

Just ignoring the politics, this is off topic.

Time to move on. Thanks!

 

[Audionaut]

What kind of thread is this now?
The USA politics thread?
Then have fun with conversations that will lead nowhere.

 

[Travis]

I agree with your point on SINAD. A THD+N of 0.1% -equivalent to a SINAD of 60 dB -has been a long-standing standard for good reason. It's effectively transparent in nearly all real-world listening situations.

Would love a source for that, it seems to be well accepted, but seems to be nothing where this comes from.

 

[amirm]

Policies should be for everyone, if I remember the ex-Mods direction correctly.

That's what they said. In reality members routinely complained about uneven handed enforcement of that policy. Moderators were doing such an excellent job otherwise that I let that slide.

Regardless, as site owners and moderators, we are not bound by the policies. We can do and say things that none of you are able or allowed to do. We can for example chastise bad behavior of a member in public whereas if you did that, you could get in trouble. In other words, for all the volunteer work that we do to run this place, we do get a few privileges. We try not to show that off too much but the option is there nevertheless.

 

[Chr1]

Sounds fair enough to me.
Personally, I highly doubt many here would volunteer their time so graciously.