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Hi guys,

I just purchased a pair of good ol' KEF LS50, no 'meta'. I couldn't resist. Subwoofers are readily available from my stock. So, how is it related to the Purify?

The design of the specimen tested here is flawed in many aspects. First of all, the bass reflex is compromised. The port too long, the width of the pipe still too small. The layout doesn't exploit the available excursion fully. Yep, the limits can be calculated. With the given excursion a sealed box would provide quite similar power output, but without the nasty problems connected to pipe resonance. A passive radiator wouldn't help much, as that would be too heavy and eventually shake the whole thing around. Or it would resonate in itself ...

Second to that, of course, the tweeter. Why is it, that people always want some pepper in quite every dish? The AMT is clearly the showbreaker. It asks for too high of an XO frequency, and still delivers sparkle with all that distortion. One might say it rattles, right? Benefits, in objective terms are non exsitent. Just storytelling, talking people into masochistic compromises while they are no more necessary today, right?

As already stated, some hypothetical virtues of the middriver are not well presented with this reference design.

A better approach would be something very much along the lines of the Burchardt 400: sealed with less volume, reflexed with same volume, a waveguided regular 25mm dome, XO'ed at about 1,2kHz.

But, if that would be done well, nothing more would be achieved than a very standard 8" driver could deliver for a fifth of the cost, e/g Dayton 225 :facepalm: As the latest test of the JBL 708P might have shown, size matters. Even with that some comments argued, a 3-way made from cheaper, less top grade material could be as good.

Could someone please convince me to send the LS50 back? It was still a significant expensive for me, personally. Only that the LS50, supported by 2..4 subs of course, addresses problems with sound distribution, which the Purify design just ignores. I think the LS50 is still good news, while in respect to the Purify I doubt such merits.

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Hi guys,

I just purchased a pair of good ol' KEF LS50, no 'meta'. I couldn't resist. Subwoofers are readily available from my stock. So, how is it related to the Purify?

The design of the specimen tested here is flawed in many aspects. First of all, the bass reflex is compromised. The port too long, the width of the pipe still too small. The layout doesn't exploit the available excursion fully. Yep, the limits can be calculated. With the given excursion a sealed box would provide quite similar power output, but without the nasty problems connected to pipe resonance. A passive radiator wouldn't help much, as that would be too heavy and eventually shake the whole thing around. Or it would resonate in itself ...

Second to that, of course, the tweeter. Why is it, that people always want some pepper in quite every dish? The AMT is clearly the showbreaker. It asks for too high of an XO frequency, and still delivers sparkle with all that distortion. One might say it rattles, right? Benefits, in objective terms are non exsitent. Just storytelling, talking people into masochistic compromises while they are no more necessary today, right?

As already stated, some hypothetical virtues of the middriver are not well presented with this reference design.

A better approach would be something very much along the lines of the Burchardt 400: sealed with less volume, reflexed with same volume, a waveguided regular 25mm dome, XO'ed at about 1,2kHz.

But, if that would be done well, nothing more would be achieved than a very standard 8" driver could deliver for a fifth of the cost, e/g Dayton 225 :facepalm: As the latest test of the JBL 708P might have shown, size matters. Even with that some comments argued, a 3-way made from cheaper, less top grade material could be as good.

Could someone please convince me to send the LS50 back? It was still a significant expensive for me, personally. Only that the LS50, supported by 2..4 subs of course, addresses problems with sound distribution, which the Purify design just ignores. I think the LS50 is still good news, while in respect to the Purify I doubt such merits.

TU

Mitchco compared his LS50's to the Purifi (built) bookshelf speakers and preferred the latter:

"Kidding aside, very interesting as I have found most bookshelf speakers don’t go very loud before hearing the onset of cone breakup. For example, I own a pair of KEF LS50’s which have a nice voicing, but don’t go very loud (or very low in frequency) before audible distortion is heard as compared to PTT 6.5 (i.e. demo kit)."

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Could someone please convince me to send the LS50 back? It was still a significant expensive for me, personally. Only that the LS50, supported by 2..4 subs of course, addresses problems with sound distribution, which the Purify design just ignores. I think the LS50 is still good news, while in respect to the Purify I doubt such merits.

I have had my LS50's for a couple of years, and as long as you don't play very loud, or sit very far, they are excellent. I wouldn't send them back.

I got the JBL708's for the bigger room, where the LS50's would embarrass themselves badly. I am incredibly happy with both systems.
 

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Not sure how they managed to get this to work - does it use a single track PR, or pressure equalization slots or something?

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Not sure how they managed to get this to work - does it use a single track PR, or pressure equalization slots or something?

Could be an attempt to realize 'cardioid' behavior. Such uses could make the driver show its possibilities. Waveguided dome for upper-mid / treble - that is how You do it today. Hopefully the design avoids the 'd'Appolito' approach with a too narrow vertical dispersion.

Would You mind to give a note from where You took the image?
 
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I found the photo and I can't remember where, but it has a really long digital file name like its from Pinterest or FB.
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I remember it was built for a Home Cinema application.
 
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Now that’s a build!!

The simply “ugly” surround kind of complements that diagonal striped baffle very well.

When Scan-Speak came out with the 18W midwoofer, with it’s carbon fibre impregnated paper cone, from soft parts specialist Dr. Kurt Müller- well some people thought it look ugly or unfinished and rough.

Then when you heard the bass. Oh my!

Then you realised it was tough cone, bullet proof bass in a organic, rich and textured way, but never over done.

Everyone form Wilson Audio to ProAc to Sonus Faber picked it up for their speakers.

Geez that was 30 years ago.

Scan-Speak 18W/8545.
The first king...
 
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Doesn't this Purifi mid-woofer need a bass bin?

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The simply “ugly” surround kind of complements that ...

The surround is the most outstanding challenge with this kind of speaker. It inevitably contributes to the radiation. It has to flex a lot due to excursion. It changes its shape over excursion, and hence changes its radiation => sound output in the mids depends on excursion. May the motor be as good as it will, there will be intermodulation. The wow'ing sound, squeezing shrillness.

This effect of the surround can easily be observed even with highly regarded, expensive or not, speakers. It can ruin the whole design. If it is not the motor or the Doppler, this is it. The 'multitone' test signal, alas, is quite useless to evaluate the limits, due to insufficient excitement in the lower registers.

I consider the Purify a 'niche' product for very special needs. In most designs it can be replaced by a less expensive 8" driver and/or by going three-way.
 

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Doesn't this mid-woofer need a bass bin?

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Not sure if you are joking or being facetious or not but I've retailed both those speakers and they sound great. The mids are good the way they are.
 

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Not sure if you are joking or being facetious or not but I've retailed both those speakers and they sound great. The mids are good the way they are.

Sorry, I meant the Purifi mid-woofer. I've corrected my post.
 

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Not sure how they managed to get this to work - does it use a single track PR, or pressure equalization slots or something?

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Looks like a very professional speaker. If that is the Satori Be tweeter, it is not inexpensive either. Searched a bit for it and did not find the maker or the original post. If you do, please share. Thanks!
 

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Not sure how they managed to get this to work - does it use a single track PR, or pressure equalization slots or something?

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It could be perhaps D´Appolito with two midwoofers (above and under the waveguide) and the rest would be just passives, which Purifi makes in the same design.
 
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