An ideal amp will double power from 8 ohm to 4 ohm - so we'd expect to see the Marantz put at least 130 watts into 4 ohms, instead it only manages 100 watts. You really think that won't affect its performance with this speaker system? Experience tells me otherwise.
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100 watts will blow these speakers to bits. It doesn't need to be an ideal amp to still be more than enough.
Talisman
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No
I have lots of amplifiers including a Krell KSA50S and a NAD 320BEE
Both have about the same power output into 8 ohms (67 watts).
The Krell has a toroidal transformer the size of a grapefruit. The NAD has a frame transformer small enough you could put it in your pocket.
You think all that matters is the number of watts into 8 ohm? Seriously?
Both have about the same power output into 8 ohms (67 watts).
The Krell has a toroidal transformer the size of a grapefruit. The NAD has a frame transformer small enough you could put it in your pocket.
You think all that matters is the number of watts into 8 ohm? Seriously?
Talisman
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The only thing that matters is that it has the power required for the speaker's impedance. If those speakers drop to 4 ohms at 40 Hz, that means the Marantz can still deliver 100 watts, which is probably enough to blow those woofers out of the basket.
Having more power or more current is only useful if you reach the limits. Below those limits, it makes no difference whether you have 1000 watts at 4 ohms or 50 if the speaker uses 30 watts.
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and to answer OP, with that money the biggest improvement you can get is to buy two good bookshelfs keeping your CD player
Having more power or more current is only useful if you reach the limits. Below those limits, it makes no difference whether you have 1000 watts at 4 ohms or 50 if the speaker uses 30 watts.
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and to answer OP, with that money the biggest improvement you can get is to buy two good bookshelfs keeping your CD player
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No. The relationship between amp and load is far more complex than that. But I'm not going to continue to argue. My advice to the o/p is to get a more capable amplifier, he can take that or leave it.
Talisman
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So you're suggesting to someone with these speakers, that the best upgrade they can make is to replace an already excellent Marantz 8005?
More capable of blowing the speakers? Or more capable in some other way that actually matters in this situation?
LOL!
There is the bass module too, which is not powered. That is what makes the system a tougher load. You don't need a Krell on it but the Marantz is not 'excellent' since it cannot maintain voltage as impedance falls, it is much poorer in that respect than many similar price amps.
I have never seen an 'ideal' amp that doubles its power unless it was overbuilt and cost thousands of dollars. Can you provide an example of one at a reasonable cost that does this because in having read hundreds of amplifier tests it appears to be an audiophile myth.
My use of the word 'ideal' was entirely deliberate. No amp truly doubles down. Read my post again.
70 watts into 8 ohm and only 100 into 4 ohm is not impressive performance, certainly not 'excellent.'
But I would argue sufficient or at least you're likely to get more improvement by getting new speakers vs. getting a higher wattage amp. Now if the higher wattage amp has a good EQ system to compensate for both the room and the speakers that might be different.
Another possibility that might address your concerns would be to get a decent subwoofer and ditch the unpowered bass unit to relieve the stress on the amp.
On the other hand I'm not even sure if the OP is still there.
I'll offer up these 2 & say: Maybe (I am biased, I have 6 of the first one and highly desire 2 or 3 of the second one).
Agreed and in my original reply I said change the amp or the speakers. But the speaker system is pretty old so I'd guess it works for his room and he wants to keep it.But I would argue sufficient or at least you're likely to get more improvement by getting new speakers vs. getting a higher wattage amp. Now if the higher wattage amp has a good EQ system to compensate for both the room and the speakers that might be different.
Another possibility that might address your concerns would be to get a decent subwoofer and ditch the unpowered bass unit to relieve the stress on the amp.
On the other hand I'm not even sure if the OP is still there.
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Seems more likely there are differences in the mastering between the albums on vinyl and CD and you prefer the vinyl. Plus it’s possible your cartridge is adding some colour of its own which you like.
To satisfy your curiosity, if your amp has a digital input try that with your CD player and see how it compares to the CD player analogue outputs. You should find no difference other than maybe volume level.
Some of the comments on this thread are quite baffling TBH, it’s like reading a ‘regular’ audio forum. Some real drivel.
To satisfy your curiosity, if your amp has a digital input try that with your CD player and see how it compares to the CD player analogue outputs. You should find no difference other than maybe volume level.
Some of the comments on this thread are quite baffling TBH, it’s like reading a ‘regular’ audio forum. Some real drivel.
I guess the ASR search function is the one thing defective here:
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