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Carver PT-2400 Dual Mono Vintage Amplifier Review

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No dispute. I didn't say that the majority of audiophiles went back to tubes. I did say the they when back to tubes "in droves" -- sorry for the hyperbole. I personally wasn't in the "drove".

I got my first real hifi system circa 1971. The electronics were Dynaco kits which I assembled myself. I might have gone for tube versions but instead opted for solid state, (assuming they were as good or better), consisting of PAT-4 preamp, Stereo 80 power amp, and FM-5 tuner. I've owned three tube preamps but never a tube power amp nor was I ever tempted to try one. However I did own one horrible sounding s/s power amp of the '70s vintage, a Phase Linear 400.

By the way, I'm quite well aware that if you ask AI a stupid question you may get a stupid answer; I don't need a lecture from @davidc on that account. If he thinks I got a stupid answer from ChatGPT he is free to challenge it

Ok, I will.

Firstly, I didn't give you a lecture. I simply made a point. You question had a very slight, but influential bias to it. Amir also agreed that your answer wasn't quite accurate. "That doesn't say that majority of high-end audiophiles went to tubes. "

Lets ask ChatGTP the same question, but i tired to give it more focus and tried to make it unbiased.

Can you discuss the relative interest and disinterest in the 1980's in the home audiophile world of solid-state versus tube equipment?

In the answer I got. It didn't use the word substantial.

The 1980s were a fascinating transitional period for home audio because they marked the point when solid-state technology became unquestionably dominant in the mainstream, while tube equipment survived—and even began its modern revival—among a relatively small group of enthusiasts.

The short version is:

  • 1970s: Solid-state largely displaced tubes.
  • Early 1980s: Tubes seemed almost obsolete.
  • Late 1980s: The first serious "tube renaissance" emerged.
Here's how it unfolded.

The dominance of solid-state​

By 1980, most major manufacturers had completely committed to transistorized equipment.

Companies like:

  • Sansui
  • Pioneer
  • Yamaha
  • Kenwood
  • Technics
  • Sony
  • Denon
  • Nakamichi
were producing receivers, integrated amplifiers, and power amplifiers that were:

  • more powerful
  • cheaper to manufacture
  • cooler running
  • more reliable
  • essentially maintenance-free
During this era, published specifications became a marketing battleground. Manufacturers competed on:

  • Total Harmonic Distortion (THD)
  • Signal-to-noise ratio
  • Frequency response
  • Power output
Typical advertisements boasted figures like:

0.003% THD
or

DC to 100 kHz bandwidth
The prevailing engineering philosophy was:

"If it measures better, it sounds better."
This fit perfectly with transistor technology.


Why tubes fell out of favor​

By the early 1980s, tubes were often viewed as:

  • outdated
  • fragile
  • inefficient
  • requiring periodic replacement
  • generating excessive heat
Many younger consumers had never owned a tube amplifier.

To them, tubes belonged to:

  • old radios
  • black-and-white televisions
  • 1950s hi-fi consoles
  • guitar amplifiers
Few mainstream audio magazines devoted much attention to them.


The audiophile split​

Interestingly, high-end audiophiles were becoming increasingly dissatisfied with some solid-state designs.

Many amplifiers of the late 1970s and early 1980s achieved spectacular distortion figures by using:

  • very high amounts of negative feedback
  • complex protection circuitry
  • aggressive bias schemes
Although these amplifiers measured beautifully, some listeners felt they sounded:

  • sterile
  • flat
  • fatiguing
  • "glassy"
  • lacking dimensionality
Whether those perceptions were due to the amplifiers themselves, speaker interactions, or expectation bias remains debated, but the sentiment was widespread in audiophile circles.


Tube advocates never completely disappeared​

Several companies quietly kept tube amplification alive.

Examples included:

  • Audio Research
  • Conrad-Johnson
  • Counterpoint
  • Cary (later in the decade)
  • Jadis (France)
These companies weren't selling to the average stereo buyer.

Instead, they marketed to enthusiasts who valued:

  • musical realism
  • midrange richness
  • soundstage depth
  • natural harmonic presentation
Rather than emphasizing microscopic distortion numbers, they talked about listening experience.


The rise of subjective reviewing​

One of the biggest changes during the 1980s wasn't technological—it was philosophical.

Magazines like The Absolute Sound and Stereophile increasingly emphasized careful listening over specifications.

Reviewers began using descriptive language such as:

  • holographic imaging
  • liquidity
  • warmth
  • pace
  • bloom
  • air
  • musicality
Many readers found that tube amplifiers often excelled in these subjective qualities, even if their measurements were objectively worse.

This marked a significant shift away from the "specification wars" of the previous decade.


Compact Disc changed the conversation​

When CDs arrived in 1982–83, they promised:

  • no surface noise
  • perfect frequency response
  • no wow and flutter
  • enormous dynamic range
Early CD players, however, were sometimes criticized for sounding:

  • bright
  • hard
  • analytical
Whether due to early digital converters, filtering, or mastering practices, many audiophiles paired CD players with tube amplifiers because they felt the combination produced a more natural sound.

This unexpectedly boosted interest in tubes.


The tube revival​

By the late 1980s, tube equipment had become fashionable again among serious audiophiles.

New manufacturers appeared, while older designs from companies like:

  • McIntosh
  • Marantz
  • Dynaco
became collectible.

Enthusiasts rediscovered classic tube circuits from the 1950s and 1960s.

Rather than being viewed as obsolete, tubes came to represent craftsmanship and musicality.


Why some listeners preferred tubes​

Several technical characteristics likely contributed to tube amplifiers' appeal:

  • Predominantly even-order harmonic distortion, which many listeners perceive as relatively benign.
  • Softer clipping behavior when overdriven, producing less abrupt distortion.
  • Higher output impedance, which can interact with a speaker's impedance curve and subtly alter frequency response.
  • Simpler circuit topologies in many designs.
At the same time, well-designed solid-state amplifiers offered clear advantages:

  • Higher power output
  • Better bass control (especially with low-impedance speakers)
  • Lower noise
  • Less maintenance
  • Longer component life
  • Lower cost per watt
The debate increasingly shifted from "Which is technically superior?" to "Which presentation do you prefer?"


Looking back​

In retrospect, the 1980s represent the point where the audio community split into two enduring camps:

  • The engineering-oriented camp, which valued accurate measurements and regarded properly designed solid-state equipment as transparent.
  • The listening-oriented camp, which prioritized subjective musical engagement and often favored tubes despite their objectively higher distortion and lower efficiency.
That divide still shapes the high-end audio world today. Modern designers often blend the strengths of both approaches—using advanced solid-state circuits to achieve excellent measurements while also paying close attention to how amplifiers behave under real-world loads, and some even incorporate tube input stages or hybrid designs to capture aspects of both technologies.
 
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The 1980s Audiophile Schism: Solid-State Engineering, Vacuum Tube Mystique, and the Dawn of High-End Audio​

Introduction​

The 1980s represented a fundamental inflection point in the history of high-fidelity audio reproduction. As the broader consumer electronics industry transitioned aggressively toward digital signal processing, microprocessors, and highly integrated solid-state topologies, the boutique high-end audio sector experienced a profound ideological and technological schism. Prior to this era, the "Golden Age" of hi-fi had been dominated by vacuum tube equipment, but by 1980, the vacuum tube—a technology whose origins date back to Thomas Edison and Lee de Forest in the early 20th century—was widely considered antiquated and obsolete by mainstream electronic engineers. Transistors offered undeniable advantages for mass manufacturing: they were drastically smaller, lighter, mechanically robust, generated significantly less heat, and did not require the heavy, expensive output transformers necessary for tube operation.

However, within the dedicated audiophile community, the 1980s witnessed an intense, polarizing debate regarding the subjective acoustic superiority of vacuum tube equipment versus the objective, measurable accuracy of solid-state amplification. This era did not merely pit two component types against each other; it highlighted a fundamental divergence in audio design philosophy. On one side was the pursuit of vanishingly low Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) and immense current delivery, championed by solid-state designers. On the other was a steadfast loyalty to linear, low-feedback circuits that prioritized harmonic integrity and musicality, upheld by a resilient vanguard of tube enthusiasts.

The relative interest and disinterest in tube versus solid-state equipment during the 1980s was driven by a highly complex matrix of technological discoveries, market shifts, and geopolitical realities. These factors included the identification of Transient Intermodulation Distortion (TIM) in early transistor amplifiers, the harsh acoustic artifacts introduced by the newly invented Compact Disc, the extreme current demands of planar and ribbon loudspeakers, and the shifting dynamics of global vacuum tube manufacturing. As the mass market became saturated with integrated midi-systems—colloquially derided by hobbyists as "Black Plastic Crap"—the high-end audiophile market retreated into heavy, discrete, artisanal equipment. This report provides an exhaustive analysis of these dynamics, exploring how the 1980s forged the modern high-end audio landscape and established a technological coexistence that persists to the present day.

The Engineering Crisis of Early Solid-State Amplification​

To thoroughly understand the intense audiophile interest in vacuum tubes during the 1980s, it is crucial to first examine the widespread disillusionment with the first generations of solid-state amplifiers that dominated the preceding decade. During the late 1960s and 1970s, the mass audio industry rushed to adopt bipolar junction transistors. However, the early implementations of these devices were plagued by both catastrophic unreliability and severe acoustic flaws.

The Illusion of Total Harmonic Distortion and Negative Feedback​

Early transistor power amplifiers frequently utilized a notorious quasi-complementary output scheme, primarily because matched complementary (NPN and PNP) output transistors were not yet widely available or economically viable for consumer audio. Furthermore, the thermal stability of these early devices and the boundaries of their Safe Operating Area (SOA) were poorly understood by audio engineers. This lack of understanding led to severe thermal runaway, causing amplifiers to fail violently under load—often destroying the connected loudspeakers in the process. Return rates for some early US-made solid-state amplifiers exceeded fifty percent straight out of the box, driving legendary hi-fi names like Scott, Fisher, and Sherwood out of business, while forcing the sale of the revered Marantz brand to the Tushinsky brothers.

To overcome the inherent non-linearities and the aggressive Class AB crossover distortion of these early transistor topologies, engineers applied massive amounts of global negative feedback. By routing a portion of the output signal back to the input in reverse phase, designers could force the amplifier to correct its own errors. On a static test bench using continuous sine waves, this technique was spectacularly successful, producing Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) measurements of a mere fraction of a percent. Mainstream marketing throughout the 1970s weaponized these specifications, selling the public on the idea that solid-state amplifiers had achieved objective perfection.

Audiophiles, however, quickly discovered that these objectively perfect amplifiers sounded exceptionally harsh, brittle, and fatiguing. The aggressive, unnatural sound of early solid-state amplifiers was so pervasive that an entire generation of loudspeakers—often referred to as the "East Coast Sound"—was intentionally designed with rolled-off, dull high-frequency responses simply to compensate for the piercing, abrasive treble of transistor amplification.

Matti Otala and the Discovery of Transient Intermodulation Distortion (TIM)​

The discrepancy between excellent bench measurements and poor subjective sound quality was finally unraveled by Finnish researcher Dr. Matti Otala in the early 1970s, though his findings did not fully permeate high-end audio design until the technological shifts of the 1980s. Otala identified a phenomenon known as Transient Intermodulation Distortion (TIM), sometimes referred to as slewing-induced distortion.

Because an audio signal is highly dynamic and asymmetrical, a sudden transient peak—such as a snare drum strike or a brass attack—travels through the amplifier to the output instantly. However, the global negative feedback loop takes a finite amount of time, dictated by the amplifier's internal bandwidth and capacitance, to return the corrective signal to the input. During this microscopic time delay, the amplifier's input stage operates without correction and is easily overloaded into severe non-linearity by the raw transient. Thus, the very mechanism used to lower static THD—excessive global negative feedback—was creating highly audible, dissonant intermodulation artifacts during dynamic musical passages.

The revelation of TIM vindicated the audiophile underground. Old-school conservative engineers initially dismissed Otala's findings as unscientific bunk, but progressive designers realized that traditional vacuum tube amplifiers naturally operated with much lower gain and required little to no negative feedback, which is why they sounded smoother and more musical despite measuring worse on static THD tests.

The Evolution of the Low-TIM Solid-State Amplifier​

By the late 1970s and early 1980s, amplifier design underwent a radical paradigm shift based on Otala's research. The goal shifted from chasing absolute zero THD to maintaining high slew rates, wide open-loop bandwidth, and low negative feedback.

The practical application of this theory was fraught with engineering challenges. In 1975, Per Abrahamsen of Electrocompaniet collaborated with Terje Sandstrom to build a commercial prototype based on a paper co-authored by Otala and Jan Lohstroh. Upon measuring their prototype, the Electrocompaniet team discovered its slew rate was a sluggish 20V/μs to 30V/μs, far short of the target 100V/μs. They eventually traced the limitation to excessive capacitance in the BD139/BD140 transistor pairs in the output stage, which the prior amplification stages lacked the current to drive efficiently at high frequencies. Once resolved, the resulting 25-watt-per-channel amplifier became a legendary benchmark for solid-state sound, remaining in production until 1980.

Similarly, in the United States, Bob Sickler of Audionics designed the CC-2 amplifier, deliberately abandoning traditional values by dropping negative feedback from standard levels of 40 dB down to 20 dB. This allowed THD to rise to 0.1%, but vastly improved the phase margin and eliminated TIM, resulting in an amplifier that was unconditionally stable and sonically superior. By 1980, Matti Otala collaborated directly with Harman-Kardon to produce the Citation XX, a high-current solid-state amplifier praised for its stunningly quick transient response and open sound, establishing a new baseline for the decade.

Amplifier Design ParadigmTraditional 1970s Solid-State1980s Low-TIM Solid-StateTraditional Vacuum Tube
Global Negative FeedbackVery High (>40 dB)Low to Moderate (10 dB−20 dB)Very Low to Zero (0 dB−10 dB)
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD)<0.05%0.1% to 0.5%1.0% to 3.0%
Transient Intermodulation (TIM)High (Audible harshness)MinimizedNegligible
Slew Rate / SpeedSlow / ConstrainedHigh (>70V/μs)Moderate
Dominant Distortion TypeOdd-order harmonicsMixed harmonicsEven-order harmonics

Table 1: Comparison of amplifier design paradigms and their distortion characteristics.

[cite: 5, 6, 10, 11, 17]

However, the vilification of negative feedback was not universally accepted. In the early 1980s, audio engineer Bob Cordell published a series of papers demonstrating that TIM could be avoided without completely discarding feedback, arguing that the industry had "subjectivized" amplifier design and descended into "voodoo engineering" by boasting about zero-feedback designs that suffered from load-dependent frequency responses. Nevertheless, the debate over TIM permanently fractured the consensus on how amplifiers should be measured and evaluated.

The Resurrection of the Vacuum Tube in High-End Audio​

As massive multinational consumer electronics brands like Pioneer, Sony, and Panasonic abandoned vacuum tubes entirely in favor of integrated circuits, a highly vocal counter-cultural movement emerged. The term "high-end audio" gained widespread prominence during this era, propelled by independent journalists like J. Gordon Holt of Stereophile and Harry Pearson of The Absolute Sound. These publications vehemently rejected the mainstream notion that static bench specifications alone dictated audio quality. Instead, they emphasized subjective listening, evaluating equipment based on its ability to project a soundstage—the three-dimensional illusion of instruments arrayed in physical space.

The Role of Audio Research Corporation​

No single entity was more responsible for the commercial viability and prestige of vacuum tubes in the 1980s audiophile market than William Z. Johnson and his Minnesota-based company, Audio Research Corporation (ARC). While the rest of the industry had rushed toward early solid-state, Johnson quietly revived the tube in the 1970s by hot-rodding affordable Dynaco amplifiers before manufacturing his own proprietary designs.

By the mid-1980s, Audio Research preamplifiers, particularly the SP-10 and its successor, the SP-11, were universally regarded as the absolute benchmarks of audio reproduction. Audio Research proved empirically that vacuum tubes were not merely nostalgic, antiquated relics of the 1950s. When implemented with modern power supplies and premium passive components, tube circuits were capable of achieving higher resolution, greater dynamic contrast, and more accurate spatial rendering than the solid-state alternatives of the era. Audiophiles found that tubes possessed an intrinsic linearity that allowed them to amplify small-signal voltages gracefully, without the switching distortion and thermal noise inherent in bipolar solid-state devices.

Harmonic Profiles and Human Perception​

The renewed interest in tubes was heavily rooted in psychoacoustics and the distinct ways different amplifying devices overload. When a vacuum tube is driven into non-linearity or soft clipping, it primarily generates even-order harmonics (the second, fourth, and sixth harmonics). Because these even harmonics are mathematically related to the fundamental frequency by full octaves, the human ear and brain perceive them as a "warm," "rich," or "full" sound rather than as offensive distortion. Furthermore, this harmonic generation naturally compresses the signal in a highly musical way. For the first 12 dB of overdrive, the human ear perceives this tube distortion as an increase in volume rather than a degradation of the signal. Consequently, a 50-watt tube amplifier is often perceived to be significantly louder and to possess more dynamic headroom than a 100-watt solid-state amplifier.

Conversely, bipolar solid-state devices—particularly those utilizing high negative feedback—tend to switch abruptly when overdriven and produce odd-order harmonics (the third, fifth, and seventh harmonics). Odd harmonics are not musically related to the fundamental tone and result in dissonance; they are perceived by the human ear as harsh, brittle, and highly fatiguing, contributing heavily to what audiophiles termed "solid-state glare".

The Digital Glare Phenomenon and the Compact Disc​

The introduction of the Compact Disc (CD) in 1982 and 1983 radically altered the calculus of the tube versus solid-state debate in the 1980s. Jointly developed by Philips and Sony, the CD was marketed heavily to the public under the premise of "perfect sound forever," boasting a flat frequency response from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, an unprecedented dynamic range of 96 dB, and absolute immunity to the physical pops, clicks, and wow/flutter inherent to vinyl records.

However, the reality of early 1980s digital audio was far from perfect, and it deeply offended the sensibilities of critical listeners. Early CD players, such as the Philips CD100 and CD104, utilized first-generation components like the CDM-0/CDM-1 transports and 14-bit TDA1540 digital-to-analog converters (DACs). While companies like Philips used heavy cast zinc chassis and oversampling techniques to extract reasonable performance from these 14-bit chips, cheaper players—part of the "Black Plastic Crap" wave—sounded synthetic and hollow. Furthermore, early CD players relied on incredibly steep analog "brick-wall" filters to abruptly remove ultrasonic frequencies above the 22.05 kHz Nyquist limit, introducing severe phase shifts in the audible high frequencies. Early mastering engineers, accustomed to aggressively boosting treble to compensate for the physical limitations of vinyl, often produced CDs with highly exaggerated upper frequencies.

The result was a phenomenon universally decried by the audiophile community as "digital glare"—a harsh, fatiguing, synthetic, and glassy high-frequency presentation. Modern engineering analysis suggests that much of this glare was caused by inadequate reconstruction headroom resulting in intersample clipping. Specifically, continuous waveforms reconstructed between digital samples can exceed full scale by as much as 3.01 dBFS, causing severe clipping and intermodulation distortion in the DAC's analog output stage. Because human hearing is exceptionally sensitive in the 1 kHz to 5 kHz range, these digital artifacts were perceived as an unbearable brightness or "tinny" quality.

The Tube as an Acoustic Filter​

The emergence of digital glare inadvertently triggered a massive surge of interest in vacuum tube preamplifiers. Audiophiles rapidly discovered that passing the harsh, sterile output of an early CD player through a vacuum tube gain stage effectively moderated the brittle characteristics of the digital signal.

The tube preamplifier acted as a euphonic, analog filter. The natural even-order harmonic distortion introduced by the tubes fleshed out the midrange, creating a sense of "warmth" and "body" that early digital recordings desperately lacked. Furthermore, the slightly rolled-off high-frequency response of certain vintage tube topologies gently attenuated the aggressive sibilance and upper-midrange glare of 1980s digital masters. Reviews from the era, such as a 1983 assessment of the Audio Research SP-8 preamplifier, explicitly noted the unit's ability to "moderate some of the harshness and hardness heard on some recordings," making the early CD format highly listenable.

Consequently, a fascinating hybrid system architecture became the de facto standard for high-end 1980s audiophiles: one would utilize a solid-state digital CD player, run the signal through a vacuum tube preamplifier for harmonic enrichment and glare reduction, and then send the signal to a high-current solid-state power amplifier to drive the loudspeakers.

The Loudspeaker Impedance Crisis and the Solid-State "Super Amp"​

While vacuum tubes excelled at preamplification and digital taming, they faced a severe, often insurmountable engineering challenge at the power amplification stage. The 1980s saw a revolution in high-end loudspeaker design, moving away from high-efficiency horn and bass-reflex enclosures toward exotic, full-range planar magnetic, electrostatic, and ribbon designs.

These new speaker topologies offered unprecedented transparency, transient speed, and soundstage depth, but they were notoriously inefficient and presented brutal, complex electrical loads to power amplifiers. The most infamous example of this era was the Apogee Scintilla, introduced in 1985. The Scintilla was a towering, panel loudspeaker that utilized direct-radiating ribbons for the midrange and treble and a Kapton-backed aluminum "quasi-ribbon" for the bass. Early versions of the Scintilla could be manually wired for a 4-ohm or 1-ohm load, but later models (identifiable by foil cuts spaced 1.5 inches apart rather than 0.75 inches) were strictly 1-ohm designs.

The Limits of Vacuum Tube Power​

Vacuum tubes are inherently high-voltage, low-current devices. To successfully interface with standard 8-ohm or 4-ohm loudspeakers, a tube amplifier requires a massive, heavy step-down output transformer to convert the high voltage of the tubes into the high current required by the speaker voice coils.

When faced with a 1-ohm load like the Apogee Scintilla, a tube amplifier's output transformer becomes a massive liability. Based on Ohm's Law (I=V/R) and the power equation (P=I2R), as impedance halves, the required current delivery must double to maintain the same voltage output. Tube amplifiers simply could not generate the continuous amperage required to drive these exotic planar speakers without saturating their transformers, severely rolling off frequency response, or causing catastrophic tube failure. Even with high-power tube monos, such as the 200-watt Beard P100s or specialized autoformers to adjust the impedance, tube amps struggled to exert control over these drivers.

The Rise of Krell and the High-Current Paradigm​

The inability of tubes to drive the vanguard of 1980s loudspeakers cemented the absolute necessity of solid-state power amplifiers. This necessity birthed the era of the solid-state "Super Amp," dominated by American brands such as Krell, Mark Levinson, and Threshold.

Krell Industries, founded by Dan D'Agostino, built its legendary reputation specifically by solving the impedance crisis. Amplifiers like the Krell KSA-50, KSA-80, and KSA-100 were massive, immensely heavy pure Class A designs featuring monolithic toroidal power transformers and enormous banks of power-supply filter capacitors. Unlike tube amps or lesser solid-state receivers, Krell amplifiers operated as near-perfect voltage sources. The Krell KSA-100, for instance, was conservatively rated at 100 watts into 8 ohms, but geometrically doubled its output into halving impedances: delivering 200 watts into 4 ohms, 400 watts into 2 ohms, and an astonishing 800 watts into 1 ohm. Later iterations, like the KSA-200S, could deliver an unbelievable 1600 watts per channel into a 1-ohm load.

Amplifier Model8-Ohm Output4-Ohm Output2-Ohm Output1-Ohm Output
Typical 1980s Consumer Receiver100 W120 W (struggles)Protection FaultProtection Fault / Failure
High-End Tube Amp (50W)50 W50 W (via transformer tap)Highly DistortedIncompatible
Krell KSA-8080 W160 W320 W640 W
Krell KSA-100100 W200 W400 W800 W

Table 2: Power scaling characteristics demonstrating the necessity of high-current solid-state amplification for ultra-low-impedance loudspeakers in the 1980s.

[cite: 36, 38]

These monolithic solid-state amplifiers looked at loads like the Apogee Scintilla with "disdain" and drove them effortlessly, providing unmatched grip and authority in the lower frequencies. For audiophiles who prioritized the staggering acoustic holography and sheer scale of planar and ribbon speakers, high-current solid-state power was not merely an option; it was a mandatory requirement.

Bridging the Divide: Hybrids and MOSFET Technology​

Given the polarized landscape—where tubes offered superior harmonic musicality and solid-state offered indispensable power and reliability—designers in the 1980s actively sought a technological middle ground. This pursuit led to the popularization of hybrid amplifiers and MOSFET solid-state topologies.

The Hybrid Amplifier Boom​

The hybrid concept was architecturally straightforward: utilize vacuum tubes in the input and voltage-gain stages to impart harmonic richness, smoothness, and an expansive soundstage, while employing robust solid-state transistors in the output current-gain stage to provide the damping factor and high amperage required to drive difficult speaker loads.

Michael Elliott's Counterpoint Electronic Systems became the quintessential hybrid manufacturer of the 1980s. Products like the Counterpoint SA-12, SA-20, SA-100, and SA-220 power amplifiers paired 6DJ8 triode tubes with solid-state MOSFET output devices. While highly praised for offering the "best of both worlds"—combining tube liquidity with solid-state control—the Counterpoint designs often suffered from reliability issues in the field. The complex integration of high-voltage tube rails and high-current solid-state power supplies within the same chassis occasionally led to catastrophic failures. After the company ceased operations, a lucrative aftermarket emerged, with engineers like George Kaye modifying units (such as the Moscode 600) with upgraded NOS Russian 6H30p-DR tubes to maximize their potential.

Other manufacturers achieved legendary status through hybrid preamplification. The Audio Research SP-11, introduced in 1985, utilized a sophisticated blend of Field-Effect Transistors (FETs) and vacuum tubes. Reviewers of the era praised the SP-11 for mitigating the noise floor issues of pure tube designs while retaining staggering musicality, completely eliminating the "transistory" colorations of previous models.

In the more affordable sector, Japanese manufacturer Luxman introduced the "Brid" series (e.g., LV-103, LV-105, LV-109) in 1984. These integrated amplifiers placed 6CG7 twin-triode tubes behind a prominent glass window on the front faceplate to drive a power-MOSFET output stage. To extend tube life, Luxman engineered a pre-heating standby mode that kept the tube filaments warm at reduced voltage when the amplifier was off. While some purists and cynics viewed the visibly glowing tubes as a marketing gimmick aimed at consumers seeking relief from digital glare, the engineering effectively utilized the tubes' linearity and high bandwidth to eliminate the need for complex, highly-feedback-reliant solid-state driver stages.

The MOSFET Alternative​

For designers who wished to avoid the complexities, heat, and maintenance requirements of vacuum tubes entirely, the lateral MOSFET (Metal-Oxide-Semiconductor Field-Effect Transistor) emerged as the solid-state device of choice.

Unlike traditional bipolar junction transistors, which are current-controlled devices that switch abruptly, MOSFETs are voltage-controlled devices. Their operational characteristics and transfer curves remarkably mimic those of vacuum tubes. When a MOSFET is driven into clipping, it compresses the signal more softly than a bipolar transistor, producing a harmonic distortion profile that features a higher proportion of even-order harmonics.

Throughout the 1980s, manufacturers like Hafler (e.g., the DH-200, 9180, and 9290 series) and Perreaux (e.g., the PMF series) utilized MOSFET outputs to create solid-state amplifiers that possessed a distinctly "tube-like" midrange bloom and sweetness. These components offered audiophiles the low maintenance and high reliability of solid-state circuitry alongside an acoustic presentation that bypassed the abrasive "MOSFET mist" or grain that plagued early bipolar designs.

Geopolitics and the Vacuum Tube Supply Chain​

A major logistical barrier to the adoption of tube equipment in the 1980s was the dramatic fracturing of the global supply chain. By the early 1980s, legendary Western vacuum tube manufacturers, responding to the obsolescence of tubes in domestic televisions, radios, and early computers, shuttered their operations.

A primary example was the closure of the massive Mullard factory in Blackburn, Lancashire. The Blackburn facility had been the largest valve assembly works in Europe, employing over 6,200 workers and capable of manufacturing 500,000 valves per day at its peak. By 1982 to 1984, the rise of the transistor forced Philips (Mullard's parent company) to cease valve production and transition the facility into manufacturing cathode ray tubes (CRTs), optical laser discs, and later CDs. Similar fates met American factories operated by RCA, General Electric, and Western Electric as the military and consumer sectors transitioned fully to solid-state silicon.

For 1980s audiophiles, this created an existential crisis: how could one invest thousands of dollars in high-end vacuum tube preamplifiers and amplifiers if the consumable replacement components were no longer being manufactured?

The salvation of the vacuum tube came from a highly unlikely source: the Cold War military apparatus of the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China. Unlike Western militaries, the Soviet military maintained a massive, active infrastructure for vacuum tube production well into the 1980s. This was not due to a lack of technological advancement, but rather a calculated strategic decision: vacuum tubes, as current-controlled devices operating in a vacuum, are vastly more resistant to the Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) generated by a nuclear detonation than fragile, voltage-controlled solid-state silicon transistors. The Soviets continued to develop highly advanced tubes for military applications, such as the 6C33C dual triode—originally designed as a voltage regulator for the radar system in the MiG-25 fighter jet—and the LS50, utilized in tank radios.

As the 1980s progressed, Western entrepreneurs capitalized on this Eastern Bloc infrastructure. Mike Matthews of New Sensor Corporation established the Sovtek brand, importing rugged, military-spec Russian tubes to the West. Simultaneously, Chinese factories like Shuguang—originally established as a numbered military supply factory (Factory #770) in 1965—began shifting toward commercial export as China opened its economy to the West.

While Western audiophiles initially lamented the loss of premium New Old Stock (NOS) tubes like Mullard and Telefunken, the robust, affordable supply of Russian and Chinese tubes—driven heavily by the persistent, unyielding demand from the electric guitar amplifier industry (e.g., Fender, Marshall)—ensured that the audiophile tube market could survive, stabilize, and eventually expand.

The Avant-Garde Rebellion: The Single-Ended Triode (SET) Revival​

As the American high-end mainstream became increasingly obsessed with massive solid-state power outputs, complex active crossovers, and vanishingly low-efficiency loudspeakers in the late 1980s, a quiet but profound counter-movement began to take root, originating primarily in Japan.

This movement, popularized in the West by highly influential writers like Jean Hiraga of the French publication L'Audiophile, represented a complete rejection of both solid-state technology and modern high-power push-pull tube designs. Instead, these extreme purists looked backward to the 1930s cinema audio technology developed by Western Electric, specifically focusing on the 300B direct-heated triode tube.

The Single-Ended Triode (SET) amplifier topology is mathematically the simplest, most linear amplification circuit conceptually possible, utilizing a single tube operating in pure Class A with absolutely zero global negative feedback. The drawback is extreme inefficiency; a 300B SET amplifier typically produces only 8 watts of power, while variants using the 2A3 or 45 tubes produce even less. To function adequately, these amplifiers required pairing with ultra-efficient, horn-loaded loudspeakers.

For the audiophiles who embraced this movement in the late 1980s and 1990s, the SET amplifier offered an unparalleled degree of midrange realism, emotional immediacy, and tonal purity that a 200-watt, highly damped solid-state amplifier could never organically replicate. The resurgence of the 300B forced the industry to reckon with the fact that, for certain acoustic properties relating to human vocal reproduction and micro-dynamics, audio technology had essentially peaked in 1938. This specific niche sustained intense interest in exotic vacuum tubes, eventually leading to the modern remanufacturing of Western Electric 300B tubes and driving the prices of authentic NOS variants to astronomical levels.

Mass Market Bifurcation: High-End vs. "Black Plastic Crap"​

The final dynamic driving the audiophile interest in premium tube and heavy solid-state gear during the 1980s was the aesthetic, qualitative, and mechanical collapse of the mass consumer audio market.

In the 1970s, mass-market receivers from brands like Pioneer, Marantz, and Sansui featured thick, machined aluminum faceplates, weighted analog tuning dials, discrete internal components, and genuine wood veneer cabinets. By the mid-to-late 1980s, aggressive corporate cost-cutting, combined with the integration of cheap digital components, led to the proliferation of lightweight, all-in-one midi systems. The audiophile community retroactively, and somewhat contemporaneously, branded this era of consumer electronics as "Black Plastic Crap" (BPC).

BPC systems were characterized by thin plastic chassis designed with faux seams to mimic the look of separate components, reliance on cheap Integrated Circuit (IC) amplification modules rather than discrete transistors, flimsy spring-clip speaker terminals, and flashing graphic equalizers that prioritized visual flair over acoustic integrity.

This stark divergence in the consumer market served as a powerful psychological and aesthetic catalyst for the high-end audio industry. The more the mainstream market embraced lightweight, disposable, black plastic modules, the more the audiophile community gravitated toward extreme physical build quality. The appeal of a Krell or Threshold solid-state amplifier lay not only in its electrical performance but in its 80-pound mass, massive external heat sinks, and aerospace-grade aluminum chassis. Similarly, the allure of a glowing vacuum tube amplifier was inherently romantic and tactile—a highly visible, thermodynamic rejection of the sterile, hidden microchips dominating mainstream 1980s culture.

The vacuum tube became an emblem of artisanal craftsmanship in an era of mass-produced plastic. Dedicated audiophiles willingly accepted the inconvenience of manual tube biasing, the ongoing cost of tube replacement, and the immense heat generation precisely because these factors represented a deeper, more intentional engagement with the equipment, the engineering history, and the music itself.

Conclusion​

The 1980s served as the ultimate crucible for the high-fidelity audio industry, permanently fracturing the market into the disposable mass-consumer segment and the ultra-premium high-end audiophile paradigm. During this decade, the relative interest in solid-state versus vacuum tube equipment did not result in a definitive, zero-sum victory for either technology. Instead, the intense technological pressures, shifting market realities, and subjective acoustic priorities of the era carved out specific, indispensable roles for both.

Solid-state amplification was fundamentally reimagined. Pushed by the discovery of Transient Intermodulation Distortion and the acoustic failures of 1970s designs, engineers abandoned the flawed reliance on excessive negative feedback. By adopting pure Class A biasing, massive power supplies, and robust topologies, designers produced low-distortion, high-current "Super Amps" capable of effortlessly driving the most exotic, brutally demanding loudspeakers ever created, such as the 1-ohm Apogee Scintilla.

Conversely, the vacuum tube—written off as a dead technology by mainstream engineers by 1980—experienced a miraculous, enduring renaissance. Protected by Soviet Cold War military stockpiles and sustained by the electric guitar industry, the tube was enthusiastically embraced by high-end audio designers as the ultimate acoustic antidote to the harshness of early digital audio. Through careful implementation in preamplifiers, innovative hybrid designs with MOSFET outputs, and esoteric Single-Ended Triode circuits, the vacuum tube preserved the harmonic integrity, spatial realism, and emotional warmth that audiophiles feared would be permanently lost to the digital age.

Ultimately, the 1980s demonstrated that high-end audio reproduction is both an objective science and a highly subjective art. The decade established a technological duality that remains the absolute foundation of modern high-end audio, proving conclusively that the organic glow of the vacuum tube and the sheer, unyielding force of solid-state silicon are not mutually exclusive, but rather complementary paths toward musical truth.

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Good grief … I’m starting to really hate A.I.
 
Good grief … I’m starting to really hate A.I.
Lol. Actually, I really really like Gemini a lot. As long as you're using the proper version and pose the question properly. It saves so so so much time and research. When you're using the proper version, it will give you the resources it uses to provide it sanswer so you can double check if you want. Previously, I would have to look through every single one of the resources in the bibliography to form my own answer.
 
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Ok, I will.

Firstly, I didn't give you a lecture. I simply made a point. You question had a very slight, but influential bias to it. Amir also agreed that your answer wasn't quite accurate. "That doesn't say that majority of high-end audiophiles went to tubes. "

Lets ask ChatGTP the same question, but i tired to give it more focus and tried to make it unbiased.

Can you discuss the relative interest and disinterest in the 1980's in the home audiophile world of solid-state versus tube equipment?

In the answer I got. It didn't use the word substantial.

The 1980s were a fascinating transitional period for home audio because they marked the point when solid-state technology became unquestionably dominant in the mainstream, while tube equipment survived—and even began its modern revival—among a relatively small group of enthusiasts.

The short version is:

  • 1970s: Solid-state largely displaced tubes.
  • Early 1980s: Tubes seemed almost obsolete.
  • Late 1980s: The first serious "tube renaissance" emerged.
Here's how it unfolded.

The dominance of solid-state​

By 1980, most major manufacturers had completely committed to transistorized equipment.

Companies like:

  • Sansui
  • Pioneer
  • Yamaha
  • Kenwood
  • Technics
  • Sony
  • Denon
  • Nakamichi
were producing receivers, integrated amplifiers, and power amplifiers that were:

  • more powerful
  • cheaper to manufacture
  • cooler running
  • more reliable
  • essentially maintenance-free
During this era, published specifications became a marketing battleground. Manufacturers competed on:

  • Total Harmonic Distortion (THD)
  • Signal-to-noise ratio
  • Frequency response
  • Power output
Typical advertisements boasted figures like:


or


The prevailing engineering philosophy was:


This fit perfectly with transistor technology.


Why tubes fell out of favor​

By the early 1980s, tubes were often viewed as:

  • outdated
  • fragile
  • inefficient
  • requiring periodic replacement
  • generating excessive heat
Many younger consumers had never owned a tube amplifier.

To them, tubes belonged to:

  • old radios
  • black-and-white televisions
  • 1950s hi-fi consoles
  • guitar amplifiers
Few mainstream audio magazines devoted much attention to them.


The audiophile split​

Interestingly, high-end audiophiles were becoming increasingly dissatisfied with some solid-state designs.

Many amplifiers of the late 1970s and early 1980s achieved spectacular distortion figures by using:

  • very high amounts of negative feedback
  • complex protection circuitry
  • aggressive bias schemes
Although these amplifiers measured beautifully, some listeners felt they sounded:

  • sterile
  • flat
  • fatiguing
  • "glassy"
  • lacking dimensionality
Whether those perceptions were due to the amplifiers themselves, speaker interactions, or expectation bias remains debated, but the sentiment was widespread in audiophile circles.


Tube advocates never completely disappeared​

Several companies quietly kept tube amplification alive.

Examples included:

  • Audio Research
  • Conrad-Johnson
  • Counterpoint
  • Cary (later in the decade)
  • Jadis (France)
These companies weren't selling to the average stereo buyer.

Instead, they marketed to enthusiasts who valued:

  • musical realism
  • midrange richness
  • soundstage depth
  • natural harmonic presentation
Rather than emphasizing microscopic distortion numbers, they talked about listening experience.


The rise of subjective reviewing​

One of the biggest changes during the 1980s wasn't technological—it was philosophical.

Magazines like The Absolute Sound and Stereophile increasingly emphasized careful listening over specifications.

Reviewers began using descriptive language such as:

  • holographic imaging
  • liquidity
  • warmth
  • pace
  • bloom
  • air
  • musicality
Many readers found that tube amplifiers often excelled in these subjective qualities, even if their measurements were objectively worse.

This marked a significant shift away from the "specification wars" of the previous decade.


Compact Disc changed the conversation​

When CDs arrived in 1982–83, they promised:

  • no surface noise
  • perfect frequency response
  • no wow and flutter
  • enormous dynamic range
Early CD players, however, were sometimes criticized for sounding:

  • bright
  • hard
  • analytical
Whether due to early digital converters, filtering, or mastering practices, many audiophiles paired CD players with tube amplifiers because they felt the combination produced a more natural sound.

This unexpectedly boosted interest in tubes.


The tube revival​

By the late 1980s, tube equipment had become fashionable again among serious audiophiles.

New manufacturers appeared, while older designs from companies like:

  • McIntosh
  • Marantz
  • Dynaco
became collectible.

Enthusiasts rediscovered classic tube circuits from the 1950s and 1960s.

Rather than being viewed as obsolete, tubes came to represent craftsmanship and musicality.


Why some listeners preferred tubes​

Several technical characteristics likely contributed to tube amplifiers' appeal:

  • Predominantly even-order harmonic distortion, which many listeners perceive as relatively benign.
  • Softer clipping behavior when overdriven, producing less abrupt distortion.
  • Higher output impedance, which can interact with a speaker's impedance curve and subtly alter frequency response.
  • Simpler circuit topologies in many designs.
At the same time, well-designed solid-state amplifiers offered clear advantages:

  • Higher power output
  • Better bass control (especially with low-impedance speakers)
  • Lower noise
  • Less maintenance
  • Longer component life
  • Lower cost per watt
The debate increasingly shifted from "Which is technically superior?" to "Which presentation do you prefer?"


Looking back​

In retrospect, the 1980s represent the point where the audio community split into two enduring camps:

  • The engineering-oriented camp, which valued accurate measurements and regarded properly designed solid-state equipment as transparent.
  • The listening-oriented camp, which prioritized subjective musical engagement and often favored tubes despite their objectively higher distortion and lower efficiency.
That divide still shapes the high-end audio world today. Modern designers often blend the strengths of both approaches—using advanced solid-state circuits to achieve excellent measurements while also paying close attention to how amplifiers behave under real-world loads, and some even incorporate tube input stages or hybrid designs to capture aspects of both technologies.

As far as I was concerned it was never about the relative predominance of s/s versus tube. Talk about asking AI a leading question. :rolleyes: You're at least as guilty that I was: "discuss the relative interest...".

My essential point was and is that early s/s amplifiers produced harmonic distortion spectra that offended some audiophiles, some of whom decide to go back to tube amplification. For my part I never insisted the majority of audiophiles went back from s/s to tube, only that a significant portion did. My assertion that they went back "in droves" was hyperbolic but didn't necessarily imply a majority.

Now may we please drop the subject?
 
As far as I was concerned it was never about the relative predominance of s/s versus tube. Talk about asking AI a leading question. :rolleyes: You're at least as guilty that I was: "discuss the relative interest...".

My essential point was and is that early s/s amplifiers produced harmonic distortion spectra that offended some audiophiles, some of whom decide to go back to tube amplification. For my part I never insisted the majority of audiophiles went back from s/s to tube, only that a significant portion did. My assertion that they went back "in droves" was hyperbolic but didn't necessarily imply a majority.

Now may we please drop the subject?
Sure, but I's still like to know how you think my question is "leading". Seems to me it's as neutral as it can get between tubes and ss
 
Good grief? Try doing that Gemini report yourself without AI and just using old Google.com and Word. Good luck.
Gemini with Deep Research is just incredibly awesome. The amount of time it saves when I'm trying to learn something and educate myself is amazing.
 
Gemini with Deep Research is just incredibly awesome. The amount of time it saves when I'm trying to learn something and educate myself is amazing.

Except when it gives you the wrong answers. That's the problem I have with AI, it will lie to you with a straight face and no conscience and it's difficult to tell when it's right and when it's wrong, be careful. If enough people propagate a rumor, conspiracy theory, or just plain mis-information, then AI will repeat and enforce that. Because AI gets it's information from the collective online responses to just about any subject.

AI is the perfect platform for propaganda, train a few of them to give you the answers you want everyone to hear, and it propagates it enough that all the other models also pick it up and propagate that same answer. It's the ultimate "repeat it enough times and it becomes true" tool.
 
Except when it gives you the wrong answers. That's the problem I have with AI, it will lie to you with a straight face and no conscience and it's difficult to tell when it's right and when it's wrong, be careful. If enough people propagate a rumor, conspiracy theory, or just plain mis-information, then AI will repeat and enforce that. Because AI gets it's information from the collective online responses to just about any subject.

AI is the perfect platform for propaganda, train a few of them to give you the answers you want everyone to hear, and it propagates it enough that all the other models also pick it up and propagate that same answer. It's the ultimate "repeat it enough times and it becomes true" tool.
Sure if you don't prompt it correctly, and believe in fairy tale conspiracy theories. For serious people there are highly engineered prompts that eliminate the hallucinations and incorrect information. And you can use Perplexity that utilizes multiple different AI systems for one prompt, compares and cross checks the outputs and formulates one response.
 
Gemini with Deep Research is just incredibly awesome. The amount of time it saves when I'm trying to learn something and educate myself is amazing.
I've purchased multiple resource books on DIY speaker building and testing, and uploaded them all along with multiple other literary sources, the instruction manuals of my simulation and testing software, and the manuals of my testing and measuring equipment, into my ChatGPT account and used them to create a custom GPT for assisting me in my speaker spec, build and design process. I've also uploaded the PDF's of my new car owner's and service manuals, user manuals from other new "complicated" devices and created specific GPT's that I can use to get specific, detailed and accurate answers.

It's amazing really once you take the time to learn what you can do and actually figure out how to do it correctly. It's really only limited by one's imagination.
 
Except when it gives you the wrong answers. That's the problem I have with AI, it will lie to you with a straight face and no conscience and it's difficult to tell when it's right and when it's wrong, be careful. If enough people propagate a rumor, conspiracy theory, or just plain mis-information, then AI will repeat and enforce that. Because AI gets it's information from the collective online responses to just about any subject.

AI is the perfect platform for propaganda, train a few of them to give you the answers you want everyone to hear, and it propagates it enough that all the other models also pick it up and propagate that same answer. It's the ultimate "repeat it enough times and it becomes true" tool.
Not Gemini with Deep Research. This version is only available to subscribers. The difference is that it gives you all the resources (a bibliography, if you will), so you can double-check all answers. It researches so thoroughly that a typical question may take 5-10 minutes for it to complete its answer.
 
Hello, owner of the amp here again. I thought I would share exactly what was replaced during the refurbishment. Also, an interesting finding when I opened the box after I got it back from Amir. Below is a pic of the things done and list of parts. Also, a picture of the underside of one of the pieces of packing hard foam. I didn't really look at it before I sent the amp to Amir.

Amir, did you draw the picture?

Pink Panter on Carver packing.jpg
parts list Carver PT-2400.jpg
 
Interestingly.. I am a musician (drummer) and I have a lot of guitarist friends that are also "stereo gear guys." They are all into tube amps and vinyl.

As guitarists who are all very much "gear heads" they love their tube guitar amps. For good reason, in the world of guitars, tube amps give you that great tube distortion. Everything from a little "breakup" to a bit of "crunch" to a full blown metal distortion, and if you have your pedal board in front of it you can get more flavors and enhance things with delays, drive, reverb etc. etc. The guitar tube amp distortion is the "gold standard" for guitars, even many solid state guitar amps have a tube front end. But it's all about creating the right distortion! Even the slight little "breakup" that is almost required even on what is mostly a "clean" guitar sound would be incredibly high distortion for an audiophile stereo amp.

So my theory is that they get so used to that guitar amp distortion that their stereo tube amps and vinyl replicates some of that. Imparting a colored sound that to them sounds right because they have spent so much time with their instrument amps and environment.

Of course all of this is just conjecture on my part. I have no scientific data to support any of it. The other thing I do know is that most of them are darn near deaf from spending much of their life on live stages. Interestingly I started using musician ear plugs when I was just a kid learning to play. So now at my old age I do not suffer near the hearing loss that most of my friends have. Just to give you an idea, one day over a few beers we discussed how many live shows we had played... Everyone there had at least 5000 shows under their belt, some close to 8000!! Without hearing protection that'll take a toll on you.
As a child of the 70's, who has many musician friends while not being a musician myself, I've noticed they don't really care at all what the music is played back on... as long as its loud. Their brains seem to be wired differently as people who Create Music as opposed and in contrast to "Audiophile Friends" who refuse to listen to playback on certain equipment because they find it offensive. Two very different camps. For myself, I went through a period of introspection in my early 20's where I tried to get the maximum enjoyment of music on the least capable equipment, while keeping a dream journal and experimenting with my consciousness in various ways since I couldn't find a full time job to save my life. I put my decent stereo equipment in storage and relied on a consumer grade clock radio to listen to music. I can honestly say that I found that tiny 3 inch clock radio mono speaker as immersive as being at the philharmonic. I was fully engaged with the music. Rather my consciousness was fully engaged with the music. So I think there is a merger that can take place between the listener and the music regardless of equipment. And musicians exemplify this.
 
These days I think homes are wired with 14 AWG for standard 15-A outlets (ours was, 30+ years ago). When we finished our basement, I added three 20-A outlets in the media room, and that got me 12 AWG wire. Whether 12 or 14 AWG there's likely a long run from service to outlet. If you are "starving the amp for power" that means more than 1800 W steady-state and 2-3 times that or more on peaks.

My experience with musicians (and being one myself) is that they are more likely to noticed a poor attack or off-pitch note in a chord than the equipment used for playback. But you can get guitar players in fights over Marshall vs. Fender amps, strings, Gibson vs. whatever guitars, and so forth. Let alone pedals... :)
 
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My experience with musicians (and being one myself) is that they are more likely to noticed a poor attack or off-pitch note in a chord than the equipment used for playback
My experience is that several times I had to ask: don’t you hear that horrible distortion and that the amps are clipping? Could you turn the volume down a bit? And they answered they did not hear it.
 
My experience is that several times I had to ask: don’t you hear that horrible distortion and that the amps are clipping? Could you turn the volume down a bit? And they answered they did not hear it.
Thats' why I use this amp!!
 
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