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Can't we all just get along?

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This video is already posted and being discussed in the "can't we call get along" and the "Klipsch upgrade" threads btw... ;)


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This is just irritating.

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If I keep checking time goes quicker right?

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Sorry but I feel ONE post should not instigate this delay crap.
 

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It comes off more like...."I am sorry, BUT......Those people that love measurements and DO NOT listen to music" Very condescending and quite odd for an apology.

ah yes, the hoary old "they love measurements more than music" strawman. I used measurements to assemble a system that I understand and am completely satisfied with. Now, I no longer even think about gear - or buying new gear (which may get to the heart of the matter as far as why the audiophile gear industry is so hard-nosed about accepting objective principles) - and ALL I DO is listen to music.

One could propose an alternative argument - "those subjectivist audiophiles love shopping for equipment more than they love listening to music."
 
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Now he is "Making amends", but still thinks he is schooling us and like minded people.


To him, he says "Everything matters" in audio, but provided zero proof......
I still see a lot of "Talking down" to people, in his assumption that he simply knows better and is trying to help....wow
I am not sure what his issues are.

I didn't know that guy before and this is the first video I've seen of him. He builds a narrative here that there are two camps: Those for whom "everything counts" (even cables) and listen to music and those who only measure and listen to nothing. That there are such camps is, of course, complete nonsense. He then places his apology on the basis of this false and misleading framing.

I think it's good when someone finds the strength to at least formulate an apology at all (for the personal attack).

But apart from that, he is of course the one who is creating a split into two camps here in the first place, probably because such polarization benefits him. Because only through such a polarization you can perhaps still convince people not to listen to good arguments.
Unfortunately, this strategy works very, very well - you can see that everywhere these days.
 

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This video is already posted and being discussed in the "can't we call get along" and the "Klipsch upgrade" threads btw... ;)


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Now he is "Making amends", but still thinks he is schooling us and like minded people.


To him, he says "Everything matters" in audio, but provided zero proof......
I still see a lot of "Talking down" to people, in his assumption that he simply knows better and is trying to help....wow
I am not sure what his issues are.
Overall, it's a bit depressing. I have enough things to worry about to start watching depressing stuff. After watching this, I really appreciate how important the "fun" is on the "Addicted to fun and learning" label. Thanks for that. Also, he uses the word "teach" quite a lot. I'm not a native speaker, but I think he means "speak" instead, please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Overall, it's a bit depressing. I have enough things to worry about to start watching depressing stuff. After watching this, I really appreciate how important the "fun" is on the "Addicted to fun and learning" label. Thanks for that. Also, he uses the word "teach" quite a lot. I'm not a native speaker, but I think he means "speak" instead, please correct me if I'm wrong.
He meant sharing his valuable wisdom and experience in the audio world :)
 

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How pretentious. Logical fallacies galore. Having the mic prominently showing the "DEITY" brand name is probably no coincidence. Still trying to paint himself as "the good guru" that just wants to help us understand each other better and the world at large. If he really wants to "show" how his many beliefs – check background in the video – are the same as actual truth then he has to stick to scientific principles. Or did I miss something the last few days and we did find a better way to learn about objective reality other than science? Sure you could argue there is no objective reality but that leaves us with what?
Like this, I think it was good that Danny apologized and ended up with the childishness, calling Amir by nickname (even though it does not concern Amir as he mentioned in #297 in this thread).

Apart from that, clearly nothing else has happened.Danny will continue to teach and doing "education" and "learn" the other side, or what he now calls those who question his claims. With learning/education, Danny defines it as: If I think it sounds better with, for example, cable lifts / risers then it does because I hear it...
Thus, he believes that he has educate those who follow him, read what he writes.

By the way. He will never take part in any seriously, independently, according to all the rules of art sensibly executed blind test. He will also never admit that he is wrong. His wallet will not allow it.
 
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I really believe that Danny is losing a bit of his (potential) clientele, with the excistence and the hard work and love and labor that Amir and a lot of people here with knowledge, put in this site.
And i think he is starting to feel it.
 

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You bunch of tin eared, flat earther, measurement worshipping people who don't even listen to music need to realize Danny took the high road. He has apologized to all of you for calling you out as the worthless audio people you are. Now, he is opening his arms to welcome you into the subjectivist camp to see how everything matters EXCEPT measurements. Oh wait, he takes measurements too. Whoa, now that is a problem, is Danny becoming a flat earther by taking measurements? Is he getting tin ears? I think Danny has caught the measurement bug and just can't stop taking measurements now. ASR got to him. He is only a year away from being an ASR supporter!:)
 

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me, I only listen to test tones, recordings of trains, and Diana Krall. :)
Recovering from Diana Krall is possible! There is a life and a world away from her!
 
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You bunch of tin eared, flat earther, measurement worshipping people who don't even listen to music need to realize Danny took the high road. He has apologized to all of you for calling you out as the worthless audio people you are. Now, he is opening his arms to welcome you into the subjectivist camp to see how everything matters EXCEPT measurements. Oh wait, he takes measurements too. Whoa, now that is a problem, is Danny becoming a flat earther by taking measurements? Is he getting tin ears? I think Danny has caught the measurement bug and just can't stop taking measurements now. ASR got to him. He is only a year away from being an ASR supporter!:)

Sure he does measurements.

But i have a problem to finde the concruence to Erins measurements. Iam sure its my fault, maybe its the missing phanthasy of me?
 

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We’re talking about listening to speakers here and not designing them though, right? Listening to one speaker and making a conclusion on how it will sound set up in a 2 channel listening room seems sort of like telling a car reviewer he can only drive slowly around a closed course when reviewing a car because driving around town introduces too many outside factors. Maybe that’s just me.

Also, I’m sorry but I have to disagree with your assertion that speakers are not designed as a stereo pair. How else do we explain the differences in paired speakers and center channel speakers? Offset tweeters? Designers absolutely make design choices all the time with stereo imaging etc. in mind.

Thanks for providing the names of the researchers, I’ll look to see if I can find publicly published papers on the topic and read them.
I just downloaded the publication by Floyd Toole (perhaps the leading authority on sound reproduction) that is linked just above in this thread. Near p. 128 he talks about mono, stereo and spatial characteristics, and the surprising value of using mono speakers to evaluate same. Just read it.
 

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I disagree with that. Yes, some aspects of the sound like the thing you call "base sound" may be easier to hear with just one speaker playing, but there is a bunch of other aspects that you completely ignore by not listening to the pair of speakers like they were intended to be listened to. I'm not a fan of Danny but the things he takes up in that video about stereo effects, like imaging, layering, and separation are indeed things that separate different speaker pairs from each other. Those aspects are of course somewhere in the measurements and probably a combination of more than one single thing, but until someone figures that out, I think all reviewers including Amir should have the speakers properly set up in stereo, and actually listen to them like they were intended to be used.

Doodski, I'm sure you have had different speakers over the years in your listening room, didn't they all have their strong and weak points when it came to the stereo reproduction things, like depth, width, and separation? And was it always the speakers with the best measured "base sound" that came on top for all those stereo aspects?
Like you, I am a student of sound reproduction, but still in grade school. Evey week I find another way in which I am a living example of the "Dunning Kruger" effect, whereby people who are not well educated in a subject not only make mistakes, they also think they're smarter than they really are about it. You, too, perhaps?

I am getting smarter as I go along, but I just don't always know how much I in fact don't know about a given subject, and that's when I make errors. Read the research, then re-think your paradigm of "base-sound" vs stereo/multi-channel/spatial sound. These are indeed parts of the whole, but the parts go together differently than you and Danny assume in a world of "let me tell you, everybody knows that ....", etc assumptions.
 
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