The data point of ONE, me. I listen to 78s on my old Victrola during Christmas time.Ok, can you point me to that?
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The data point of ONE, me. I listen to 78s on my old Victrola during Christmas time.Ok, can you point me to that?
Is volume usually normalised by default? With Apple Music, I’m pretty sure sound check is disabled by default. And lowering the level to -16 LUFSi or whatever it is dosen’t fix all the issues with bricked mastering. But that’s fine. Stereo streaming is sometimes mastered for listening in the car and other noisy environments, etc.. OK then. Digital versions offered as an alternative to that seems to be spatial audio. I’d suggest LPs with better mastering can often be an alternative too, but the consensus seems to be forming here that sound quality isn’t a factor in the continued interest in LPs. And the only data I have to contradict that consensus is subjective and anecdotal.Of course, the levels on streaming services are normalised using EBU R128, so the music providers can't "game" the service through releasing ever more louder / compressed versions.
That is exactly what I do with my vinyl records. Once digitized I never play back the record. I also remove all clicks/pops, the surface noise and eq it with Izotope RX and Ozone. However, I don’t treasure my vinyl. Once digitized I view it as a sunk cost.
I think vinyl is like Rolex watches. It allows for unlimited cost in pursuing mechanical perfection. It’s a status thing.
Not a person on here is debating that. We all know digital is the superior format, but just because it’s the better format does not necessarily it contains the best content.So, the pinnacle of what a record can do is NOT an answer to the OP's question.
Vinyl sales and CD sales are both a drop in the bucket though. Its for the most part a few diehards, old guys like most of us in here, and trendy to somewhat younger people.And that is their choice. Do you understand what I am saying? I am not trying to take that choice away from them.
You are repeating back to me what I already stated minus the part where vinyl sales are increasing - so no the point is not moot.
I have given up on the vinyl format. If I had the option to purchase a digital version of the vinyl-optimized master—potentially with additional benefits due to the superior capabilities of digital—I would definitely choose that. Unfortunately, that option isn't available, so I'm left with vinyl.As my longtime vinyl enthusiast pal says:
If you’re digitizing your vinyl, you’ve given up.
:/)
I know and have already mentioned that:Vinyl sales and CD sales are both a drop in the bucket though.
I'm not aware of anything new posted to this thread in the previous 311 pages.I know and have already mentioned that:
We really need to get a common understanding of what is being said, or we will keep repeating the same things….oh wait 531 pages.
Gain riding a more severe form of limiting? How? Even flicking the fader fast is still much slower than the attack and release speed of a limiter. It’s the speed of the gain change that distorts the signal. Gain riding is more similar to a opto compressor.Classical records from the "Golden Age" (1950s-1960s) deployed gain riding - an assistant engineer following the musical score and adjusting level to keep the signal level above the noise floor and below clipping. That's never considered a distortion, though it can be a more severe form of limiting than electronic/digital limiting.
The “gaming” (getting records as loud as possible) is shifting from the mastering stage to the production stage. There’s more influence there over the perceived loudness vs EBU R128 measured loudness.Of course, the levels on streaming services are normalised using EBU R128, so the music providers can't "game" the service through releasing ever more louder / compressed versions.
Yes for Apple Music and SpotifyIs volume usually normalised by default?
Gain riding can have more audible tells. Limiting can be very useful with keeping peak levels of percussion "in bounds".Gain riding a more severe form of limiting? How? Even flicking the fader fast is still much slower than the attack and release speed of a limiter. It’s the speed of the gain change that distorts the signal. Gain riding is more similar to a opto compressor.
I agree with you if your point is that (some) limiters are designed to sound transparent despite cutting a lot of dB’s off, whereas gain riding has more audible tells.
This report is from 2022; page 22 (page 17 of the PDF) has the top reasons people gave for buying vinyl. They only print the top six answers and sound quality didn’t make the cut.Ok, can you point me to that?
Thanks will see if I can find a copy for cheap, mostly for interest.
I will give this a try.
PS Are you back from vacation or still enjoying the sun?
This report is from 2022; page 22 (page 17 of the PDF) has the top reasons people gave for buying vinyl. They only print the top six answers and sound quality didn’t make the cut.
Don’t blame you, neither would I.There was another survey done in 2022 by MusicWatch, but the full report is $995 and I’m not invested enough in the debate to pony up for it.
So others like me do exist - 42%. Given the small vinyl sales number, that likely amounts to around 27 individuals.Their synopsis doesn’t provide a ranking of reasons, but does mention that people who’ve been buying records for more than ten years (42% of responders) do indicate that the sound of vinyl is among those reasons, while the 58% who started buying more recently are more drawn to the physical object itself, the artwork, supporting the artists, etc.
Check Out “Revelations About the Vinyl Revolution” | MusicWatch Inc.
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I had 2 full and different turntable systems. Had because one TT recently died. That one was my first record player from the early 80s and it is much cheaper than my current turntable. I ripped an album using both to gauge the difference so years ago. I will send you a samples from both to judge the difference.I was really close to buy a turntable just for this album. But when I was at my local HiFi store to buy it the store owner stopped me saying that the Planar 3 would never match the sound quality of my Linn Akurate DSM streamer, so I changed my mind.![]()
Let me take a listen and if I like it, I will buy it and measure it.If you ever get the idea of buying this record on vinyl, please let me know how it measures.![]()
Wow, it’s practically summer! Who says global warming is fake news...I have been here since December 12, so it will be hard to get back to the cold winter in Sweden (but it will be unusually “hot” for this time of year with +5°C tomorrow).![]()
The classical that I find to have a somewhat limited DR, seems to be a lot of the old RCA Living Stereo stuff.Gain riding can have more audible tells. Limiting can be very useful with keeping peak levels of percussion "in bounds".
I'm also a RUSH fan. Have been since I was 9 years old in 1974. Started collection them and it was vinyl back then. Bought the first album at the local record store in 74 with "chores" money. Just sort of carried on the trend with the band.