Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

[Count Dacula]

What is this about?

Trivia

 

[MattHooper]

Trivia

OK, the way you presented it seemed like it was part of some conversation I missed, making it particularly pertinent.

 

[Count Dacula]

I was thinking about the subtleties of different vinyl playback systems available to the recording engineers, verses the consistency of digital copies.

This letter being literally "from the horses mouth".

 

[Count Arthur]

I stumbled across this and thought it might be relevant. I knew that most music is now recorded, mixed and mastered digitally, but I was surprised how early that started.

 

[antcollinet]

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Please can people posting youtube videos include a summary of what it is saying. They are a very inefficient way of transferring information, and people shouldn't have to watch the damn thing to find out if it has any interest to them at all. (This one is 14 minutes long!!)


It would also be useful to know why the poster is posting it. What point (if any) are they trying to make. Do they agree with the content, or not? Etc. What are their own thoughts on it.

 

[Snarfie]

I stumbled across this and thought it might be relevant. I knew that most music is now recorded, mixed and mastered digitally, but I was surprised how early that started.

Factual It is what it is. Besides speakers amp's room modes what have you one of the things that is imo different between vinyl an digital is the cartridge basicly they al have a different sound/signature compared to digital (dac's) they sounds in 99% the same no sound signature specific regardless of price in most cases . So listening to vinyl is a personal thing/choice (partly financialy a cartridge could brake the bank) how you enjoy your analog sound. Does that says something about the (in)consistency of the sound reproduction of Vinyl records by the cartridge like which cartridge is better or worse or can i afford? With a DAC this choice is quite simple imo regardless of price for instance. I find it quite amusing if Steven Guthenberg does a speaker comparison sometimes he change the cartridge on his tone arm an suddenly he gets a different sound he favour more or less. That are costly choices to make.

 

[MattHooper]

I was just reading a Reddit audiophile thread.

The person was explaining that they had spent a bunch of money on trying to get vinyl to sound good, but they simply were never satisfied with the sound of vinyl. So he sold his turntable and phono gear.

But then he got himself a cheaper sound burger, record player:

He’s found it so fun (though it doesn’t sound great ) he’s back into listening to records again.

Sometimes all it takes is lowering your standards.

 

[Count Arthur]

I was just reading a Reddit audiophile thread.

The person was explaining that they had spent a bunch of money on trying to get vinyl to sound good, but they simply were never satisfied with the sound of vinyl. So he sold his turntable and phono gear.

But then he got himself a cheaper sound burger, record player:

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He’s found it so fun (though it doesn’t sound great ) he’s back into listening to records again.

Sometimes all it takes is lowering your standards.

Techmoan reviewed one a while back; it wasn't terrible.

 

[GXAlan]

I was just reading a Reddit audiophile thread.

The person was explaining that they had spent a bunch of money on trying to get vinyl to sound good, but they simply were never satisfied with the sound of vinyl. So he sold his turntable and phono gear.

But then he got himself a cheaper sound burger, record player:

View attachment 400363

He’s found it so fun (though it doesn’t sound great ) he’s back into listening to records again.

Sometimes all it takes is lowering your standards.

It’s not bad. DC power, so no AC mains noise and it’s a real Audio Technica cartridge that’s properly calibrated.

 

[Robin L]

It’s not bad. DC power, so no AC mains noise and it’s a real Audio Technica cartridge that’s properly calibrated.

Bottom of the line AT cartridge, FWIW. Know it quite well. I'm sure it will work as well as the design allows. But no great shakes.

 

[Count Dacula]

It’s not bad. DC power, so no AC mains noise and it’s a real Audio Technica cartridge that’s properly calibrated.

That's like 0.01% of households.

 

[Galliardist]

I was thinking about the subtleties of different vinyl playback systems available to the recording engineers, verses the consistency of digital copies.

This letter being literally "from the horses mouth".

I read this differently... "For tax purposes"?

All it tells us is that an engineer wanted to claim buying records as some kind of tax deduction, and that some engineers listened to records, hardly a surprise at the time (no date on it) that was probably issued.

I don't see that it proves or even vaguely supports whatever it is you're trying to claim. Sorry.

 

[early rejecter]

All it tells us is that an engineer wanted to claim buying records as some kind of tax deduction,

I took it to mean that the engineers would be taking a home office / equipment deduction.

 

[Count Dacula]

"Recording engineers evaluating records on their home systems". Pretty simple.

 

[Count Dacula]

. . . When "Led Zeppelin II" was first released, legendary mastering engineer Robert Ludwig cut the lacquers using the master tape. The story goes that Atlantic founder Ahmet Ertegun gave a copy to his brother Nesuhi to give to his daughter. Her "kiddie" phonograph couldn't track the record, which had been cut with full dynamic range and bass response (the notion that vinyl can't do wide dynamic range or deep bass is a bunch of hooey).

The label panicked, and recalled the record, which was re-cut with less bass and lesser dynamics, which is the version most people bought. However, some "RL" mastered originals got into distribution and are "out there". . .

Taken from - Analog Planet

Exact same thing.

 

[Galliardist]

Exact same thing.

No.
In that case, the label founder and his family were the starting point for the recall. It was not an engineer.

If your point is that different record players have different capabilities, I have no problem with that, but why a tax note is evidence for that is beyond me.

 

[Robin L]

No.
In that case, the label founder and his family were the starting point for the recall. It was not an engineer.

If your point is that different record players have different capabilities, I have no problem with that, but why a tax note is evidence for that is beyond me.

I think the recording engineer was claiming the record (or records) as a work-related expense. Thus, the letter.

 

[Galliardist]

I think the recording engineer was claiming the record (or records) as a work-related expense. Thus, the letter.

That's what I replied. It's unlikely that any record engineer would not have been buying records, after all. I don't see that it proves anything about record quality, then or now. That's reading way too much into it, without other evidence.

Notwithstanding that such claims may be seen as trivially obvious!

 

[Snarfie]

I was just reading a Reddit audiophile thread.

The person was explaining that they had spent a bunch of money on trying to get vinyl to sound good, but they simply were never satisfied with the sound of vinyl. So he sold his turntable and phono gear.

But then he got himself a cheaper sound burger, record player:

View attachment 400363

He’s found it so fun (though it doesn’t sound great ) he’s back into listening to records again.

Sometimes all it takes is lowering your standards.

I was thinking changing Opamps in a DAC could be more or less the equivalent changing a tone arm cartridge. As Amirm tested it is not noticeble.

Rolling (replacing) Op-amps in Topping D10 DAC

This is a study of whether changing op-amps in a DAC makes a measurable difference. Taking a lead form "rolling" tubes in tube products, a trend has started in replacing op-amps -- sometimes with much difficulty -- to improve performance of solid state products like DACs. A few months ago I...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[danadam]

I stumbled across this

In this thread?

Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

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