This is an ongoing thread and newcomers will arrive all the time. It's hardly surprising that nobody who does has read all 9,661 posts. It looks like an informal chat that people are dropping in and out of. People posting will of necessity want to state their own position on things regardless of what went before. So no, it is hardly surprising that someone says something that has already been said, or indeed says something that they "aren't supposed to", or brings up a particular advantage or disadvantage. Maybe in a new context, that repeat statement might trigger some new discussion.
Perhaps you are a little too confident that they are obvious. For example, "obvious to whom?" Most people walking into an electrical goods store are being told that the first advantage of vinyl is that it provides the best sound quality, "obviously".
No, vinyl does not inherently have a warm sound, though there are aspects of second-rate vinyl reproduction that thicken texture. I've heard a lot of LPs that have obvious pre/post echo and that works just like cornstarch. I suspect that audio feedback also plays into that. Phono cartridges have shockingly high levels of distortion. Just check out some of the measurements over at Hi-Fi News:
These graphs don't tell us too much without context, a link to at least one cartridge in question would have been helpful.
It is largely the reason though. If someone wanders in and contradicts a particular viewpoint, there will also be a response, and that too is something that happens across the entire site, It's a new conversation in the same thread. That's all.
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Distortion is not very impressive though. The best ones as measured at ASR has ≈ -35 dB at 5 kHz and they need not to be expensive.Pro-Ject Pick it MC9
Designed to take advantage of Pro-Ject's 'balanced' phono preamps, this flag-waving moving-coil marks a departure from the brand's Ortofon-derived moving-magnets As a major turntable manufacturer, Pro-Ject has a longstanding relationship with cartridge builders. This makes sense, as the brand...Goldring Ethos SE
The Ethos MC has waved the flag for UK pick-up brand Goldring for over five years, and now the design has been given the ‘SE treatment’ with silver wiring and more... Everyone loves a special edition because, unlike a limited edition, it’s usually the forerunner of trickledown into the standard...DS Audio Master 3 Cartridge
Conceived to replace the Master 1, but with all the 'third generation' technology unveiled in the Grand Master, the Master 3 is described as a 'semi-flagship' pick-up... To borrow a phrase from the Buffalo Springfield (though it defined a far graver situation than a change of cantilever)...Koetsu Coralstone Cartridge
While unmistakably a 'Koetsu', this Coral stone-cloaked MC demonstrates that every one of the brand's mineral/stone-bodied pick-ups brings its own personality to the party At the high-end of the hi-fi industry, there are companies that, while well-known to the audiophile cognoscenti, still...
And I'd like to point out that these models probably represent the current state of the art.
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Daytime around here.^^^
I hope this doesn’t disturb anyone’s sleep, whose bat signal goes up with any bump of this thread, much less something positive about vinyl.
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Something like that. Interestingly, turntable sales prior to 2005 were similar to those after! Vinyl sales start to increase after 2007 (I got out in 2005, always fashionable , me) at the time of the dip in turntable sales.I think ordinary people? People are buying Crossley turntables and other stuff.
Turntables U.S. unit sales 2021| Statista
The number of turntables sold in the United States rose by nearly 10 percent in 2021 over the previous year.
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I am too lazy to do the math, but that’s about 1M new turntables sold over the last 16 years during the era of digital. Add oodles of vintage turntables, and it really seems like there is a clear niche here.
You don’t need to be universal like the iPhone. You just have to have enough critical mass, like having replacing pads for your swiffer.
The Tesla Model S, reached 630k vehicles in 2023 according to ChatGPT and I see those all the time.
. . . When "Led Zeppelin II" was first released, legendary mastering engineer Robert Ludwig cut the lacquers using the master tape. The story goes that Atlantic founder Ahmet Ertegun gave a copy to his brother Nesuhi to give to his daughter. Her "kiddie" phonograph couldn't track the record, which had been cut with full dynamic range and bass response (the notion that vinyl can't do wide dynamic range or deep bass is a bunch of hooey).
I have one of these and it is BY FAR the loudest LP I own. It is almost 3 dB louder than anything else I have. In addition, unless my TT is set up perfectly it will "skip" on the very loud parts of "Whole Lotta Love" and a few other songs and my TT is not a "Kiddie Phonograph" . It is very sought after and collectable but I think over hyped. These "special rare versions of Iconic LP's" are part of the appeal of vinyl for some people and part of the renaissance.
I'm noticing that there's a lot of reissues of older recordings with less than stellar sonics to begin with given remasters as if they were really high fidelity. I suspect that the first issue of Led Zep II would have worked out fine if Robert Ludwig had backed down on the cutting level. The one really good remaster I bought (Billy Strayhorn's version of Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker Suite" as performed by Duke Ellington's orchestra, one of Steve Hoffman's LPs) was cut at a relatively low level on very quiet vinyl.
