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Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

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Vinyl Sales Plummet by 33% in 2024 After A Decade of Rapid Growth​



For quite a while on the vinyl forums I’ve seen complaints about the increased price of vinyl records. I’ve seen quite a number of people saying they’ve stopped buying for now because of it, or at least have significantly slowed their purchases. I was wondering when this was going to finally show up in sales and perhaps this is it. Though the article goes into speculating various reasons for the current dip in sales.

Reddit vinyl forum reaction:

 
Is this it, folks?

Vinyl Sales Plummet by 33% in 2024 After A Decade of Rapid Growth​



For quite a while on the vinyl forums I’ve seen complaints about the increased price of vinyl records. I’ve seen quite a number of people saying they’ve stopped buying for now because of it, or at least have significantly slowed their purchases. I was wondering when this was going to finally show up in sales and perhaps this is it. Though the article goes into speculating various reasons for the current dip in sales.

Reddit vinyl forum reaction:

Interesting.

So assuming that is price driven, then either:

The prices were what they needed to be after 10 to 20% of inflation and wage growth, they can't come down, people won't pay them, reducing volume will increase costs/item further, and the market will die on its ass.

or

The Redditors are right, the labels were price gouging on a growing market, prices will fall, and volumes will stabilise at a 2023/2024 sort of level.
 
Pricing, greed, bad pressings, digitally sourced vinyl etc. will be the preferred explanations of course, but the true reason may be the simple fact that all fashions, trends and fads ultimately die. There will be new trends for influencers to "change their lives" or "feel connected with". These are the true constants while the surface level of vocabulary will change from vinyl related things to something else.
 
And here's me, after a good while not buying any music on physical media, buying a new carefully re-pressed vinyl album (£24 or so) to replace a long ago disposed of LP, three used copies of a 1974 LP (for 'research') and a couple of CDs with more to follow, from artists, whose music I'd put to one side for some years and now find special, precious and essential for my life right now.

I never did follow trends, at least once I turned thirty :D
 
And here's me, after a good while not buying any music on physical media, buying a new carefully re-pressed vinyl album (£24 or so) to replace a long ago disposed of LP, three used copies of a 1974 LP (for 'research') and a couple of CDs with more to follow, from artists, whose music I'd put to one side for some years and now find special, precious and essential for my life right now.

I never did follow trends, at least once I turned thirty :D

This is not exactly related to your post, but how do you think your Rega Planar 6 stacks up against an older turntable from Linn?

I was pretty much set on a Planar 3, but the guy who owns the local HiFi store suggested I instead wait until he gets in a used Linn as he thinks they are way better and in a similar class as Rega 10's. I reckon you have probably put your hands on a Linn turntable from time to time, so what do you think of this?
 
This is not exactly related to your post, but how do you think your Rega Planar 6 stacks up against an older turntable from Linn?

I was pretty much set on a Planar 3, but the guy who owns the local HiFi store suggested I instead wait until he gets in a used Linn as he thinks they are way better and in a similar class as Rega 10's. I reckon you have probably put your hands on a Linn turntable from time to time, so what do you think of this?
I'd say the current Regas can 'sound' more like digital than digital does... lean, dry and squeaky-clean to brightly lit balance, only tamed by the previous generation dull-as-ditch water Rega MM pickup cartridges often used (I don't know the new 'ND' cartridge models which claim to be far better). For me currently, the 6/neo is the optimum before the range goes all wanky (sorry for the term, but that's how I tend to see the 'better' ones above).

The LP12 is a nightmare and I'd avoid old ones like the plague (including the Axis as they burn out the 24/7-running supply boards now) unless the main bearing is immaculate (most 80s and I now gather some 90s 'Cirkus' ones are worn out). You set upon an upgrade ladder which costs a fortune and at best, you get a nice tone with some 'swing' to it, ALL of which is colouration, not that your dealer would know unless they do recording and mixing - you should understand what I mean. Old versions need individual work too where newer ones post 1992 or so, do fall together better in my experience. I used to be able to judge springs and the grommets for a badly 'bouncing' deck sample, but recent experience shows I've lost that skill now as I don't do them day in-day out.

I did check and re-set (slightly) not very long ago, a 1979 era Nirvana LP12 with Mission 774 arm (spot welded sub-chassis and ply arm-board). It did 'sound' great, lacking the fruity warmth of Ittok equipped versions which followed after 1980. Latest spec models share little under the top plate with older samples, but they're ridiculous money now - I'd rather find and restore a Thorens TD150mk2 myself, fit a modern mid-line MM cartridge and grin smugly from ear to ear :D - yes, with TP13A arm and maybe a 1mm thick ptfe disc in the main bearing well to fix the worn thrust plate. A TD150 fits an LP12 plinth exactly and can sound slightly 'better' for it, the narrow armboard being the only visual issue.

My advice for Planar 3 money? Try to find an original Technics SL 1300/1400/1500/1600/1700/1800, the latter three with sprung chassis, so easier to site. Change the headshell to the later technics type (perhaps) and add a 3 - 5mm cork mat on top of the rubber one (which properly damps the otherwise ringy platter) to get the arm level again (it's fixed height). Main bearings on these last decades, but a drop of light machine oil on the spindle as recommended by the maker won't hurt. As with a Rega, take the lid off when playing (especially on the non-sprung models) and site away from corners and not on thuddy cabinets. They'd beat a Rega 3 hands down in every aspect bar the tonearm (on '2' and '3 upwards' models, of which Rega can be rightly proud! I was able to get excellent sounds from an SL1500 and should have kept it really...

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P.S. Early Technics quartz locked models with height-adjustable arms (1300mk2/1400mk2/1500mk2 for example) could also be considered, but there's a nasty failure which occurs on the lifting device which affects the auto functions too - a delrin sleeve around the underside arm pillar splits and, although one or two people have repaired by 'all but stapling' the part back together, the disassembly/reassembly part is a bit of a nightmare, as I recall it being built in several layers... No idea on the 1600mk2/1700mk2/1800mk2 which replaced them and kind-of formed a bridge to the 1200mk2 series we all know - and some of these may have had extensive 'DJ use' despite so many being around...
 
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Interesting.

So assuming that is price driven, then either:

The prices were what they needed to be after 10 to 20% of inflation and wage growth, they can't come down, people won't pay them, reducing volume will increase costs/item further, and the market will die on its ass.

or

The Redditors are right, the labels were price gouging on a growing market, prices will fall, and volumes will stabilise at a 2023/2024 sort of level.

Insufficient data for any valid conclusions. I have a hunch pricing has met demand. One could reason that if the prices go down some demand could increase again. Greed probably the background issue since as production increases costs decrease yet the consumer prices did not. As far as cost goes - I purchased the Adele "30" double vinyl set from Music Direct last year for $5.00 - not $50 but 5 bucks. Coincidentally, that is the same price I paid at a used record store in Atlanta for "Jazz at the Pawnshop" in the late 1980's. "Pawnshop" always makes me smile while I don't think I can listen to "30" again - I think Adele's divorce messed with her song writing....
If the industry comes to its senses and accepts lower profits for greater production then perhaps things can stabilize a bit.
 
That’s quite a diet of classical music!

I used to be heavily in to classical music through my 20s 30s and 40s.
I never had much time for Baroque, I’d like some from the classical period, but once it hits the romantic period and onward I was all over it. This no doubt comes from the fact I got into classical music through a love of soundtracks. My brother and I loved Stravinsky, and since he worked for many years as an usher at the Toronto Symphony, I would go about once a week to the symphony for free.

(my brother is the indie musician and his music is essentially a across between The Beach Boys and Stravinsky)
I became engrossed with "Classical" music as a teenager - the Beethoven Bicentennial occurred during my 15th year. Beethoven manages to crossover from Classical to Romantic with his work becoming increasingly intense as he gets older. I would imagine that a fan of soundtracks would be a fan of Mahler and Richard Strauss. I spent the better part of ten years as the recording engineer for the San Francisco Early Music Society recording a lot of Baroque music. I'm a big fan of that music including a lot of obscure composers like Marin Marais and Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber. Wonder what your brother thinks of Captain Beefheart? - he strikes me as a cross between Stravinsky and the blues.
I use Tidal. We also have Apple Music but it sucks in terms of not playing on so many streaming systems.
I also stream Internet stations to my 2 channel system or surround system, especially for electronica and dance music typically 320 kbps, and it all sounds great to me!
Spotify started out fine but started to go into a shuffle mode where it would switch between an extended list for a single composition and some random selection. If it keeps that up, I'm switching to some other service. Edit, already did.
 
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Is this it, folks?

Vinyl Sales Plummet by 33% in 2024 After A Decade of Rapid Growth​



For quite a while on the vinyl forums I’ve seen complaints about the increased price of vinyl records. I’ve seen quite a number of people saying they’ve stopped buying for now because of it, or at least have significantly slowed their purchases. I was wondering when this was going to finally show up in sales and perhaps this is it. Though the article goes into speculating various reasons for the current dip in sales.

Reddit vinyl forum reaction:

Looking at the prices at Rainy Day Records I knew it was just a matter of time before the balloon would burst.
 
Is this it, folks?

Vinyl Sales Plummet by 33% in 2024 After A Decade of Rapid Growth​



For quite a while on the vinyl forums I’ve seen complaints about the increased price of vinyl records. I’ve seen quite a number of people saying they’ve stopped buying for now because of it, or at least have significantly slowed their purchases. I was wondering when this was going to finally show up in sales and perhaps this is it. Though the article goes into speculating various reasons for the current dip in sales.

Reddit vinyl forum reaction:

Down 33 1/3. :)

 
I listen to vinyl, and I stream a lot too. For me, using vinyl is simply about focus. I struggle to stay focussed on most things, so I have to find ways to stop the distractions. I use app locks on my phone and app + website blockers on my PC during working hours, with no way to turn them off while a session is in progress (soon to include blocking ASR, haha). I really love music but even when it is playing, I am rarely listening and I can go into a Netflix style skip track frenzy, so if all I want is "background noise" then I stream music, but if I want to really listen to something and take it in without distraction, then I prefer to use vinyl.

The simple act of not being able to skip a track with the push of a button (or voice command) means that I tend to listen to whole albums and I will often discover new tracks that I love but would have skipped over if streaming (after hearing the first few seconds). So it's not connected to audio quality for me, it's simply about staying focussed on the music.
 
Is this it, folks?

Vinyl Sales Plummet by 33% in 2024 After A Decade of Rapid Growth​



For quite a while on the vinyl forums I’ve seen complaints about the increased price of vinyl records. I’ve seen quite a number of people saying they’ve stopped buying for now because of it, or at least have significantly slowed their purchases. I was wondering when this was going to finally show up in sales and perhaps this is it. Though the article goes into speculating various reasons for the current dip in sales.

Reddit vinyl forum reaction:

Two words: Eras Tour

33% of vinyl purchasing consumers by revenue were Swifties who opted to see her perform live instead of buying vinyl in 2024.

Still, the success of Taylor Swift supports the audiophile/audio enthusiast vinyl ecosystem. Beautiful cover art and supplemental materials are benefits we get from popularity of vinyl.
 
A need for social and historical continuity? Thoughtful young people are living in a different time than many of us have grown up through. Everything is rented and a digital life may be convenient but has the tendency to slip through the fingers.
 
@Robin L

just an excerpt of Mahler on vinyl, end of side, here...

 
@Robin L

just an excerpt of Mahler on vinyl, end of side, here...

Very interesting. It sounded much better than I expected. I'm curious - what recording? What's the signal chain - cartridge, turntable, phono preamp? I followed up listening to your excerpt with the Channel Classics recording on a SACD, Budapest Festival Orchestra, Ivan Fischer conductor. I listened to the PCM layer. It sounded more open, less congested, generally better. But your excerpt was not so much worse that I couldn't enjoy it.
 
Very interesting. It sounded much better than I expected. I'm curious - what recording? What's the signal chain - cartridge, turntable, phono preamp? I followed up listening to your excerpt with the Channel Classics recording on a SACD, Budapest Festival Orchestra, Ivan Fischer conductor. I listened to the PCM layer. It sounded more open, less congested, generally better. But your excerpt was not so much worse that I couldn't enjoy it.
My chain listed below. I bought the DG version of Bernstein. Sadly though both records were warped. Not too bad, but they can be much flatter. It's not really my style of music but just to test something dynamic, I was curious.
 
I listen to vinyl, and I stream a lot too. For me, using vinyl is simply about focus. I struggle to stay focussed on most things, so I have to find ways to stop the distractions. I use app locks on my phone and app + website blockers on my PC during working hours, with no way to turn them off while a session is in progress (soon to include blocking ASR, haha). I really love music but even when it is playing, I am rarely listening and I can go into a Netflix style skip track frenzy, so if all I want is "background noise" then I stream music, but if I want to really listen to something and take it in without distraction, then I prefer to use vinyl.

The simple act of not being able to skip a track with the push of a button (or voice command) means that I tend to listen to whole albums and I will often discover new tracks that I love but would have skipped over if streaming (after hearing the first few seconds). So it's not connected to audio quality for me, it's simply about staying focussed on the music.

Join the club. Similar experience for me. It’s not uncommon.
 
My chain listed below. I bought the DG version of Bernstein. Sadly though both records were warped. Not too bad, but they can be much flatter. It's not really my style of music but just to test something dynamic, I was curious.
So, I just played the same excerpt from the CDs I have of the same recording. Not exactly a proper ABX, but here goes. I did what I could to match levels. First off, I noticed less treble and bass. Particularly deep bass from the organ. I suspect the mastering engineer had to back off in order to prevent distortion so close to the run-out groove. Side four of the LP runs for 23'36 - above average, but a lot of the finale is low in dynamic level, so it doesn't really get loud until the end. There was a touch of congestion throughout. In the very final part I could hear some disc eccentricity, the pitch rising and falling. I don't know if that's from the warp you mentioned or a slightly off-center pressing. Like I said, not so bad as to make the music un-enjoyable, but still not as good as the CD version.

Edit: BTW, it's the finale of Mahler's 2nd symphony, a real torture track for LP replay.
 
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I listen to vinyl, and I stream a lot too. For me, using vinyl is simply about focus. I struggle to stay focussed on most things, so I have to find ways to stop the distractions. I use app locks on my phone and app + website blockers on my PC during working hours, with no way to turn them off while a session is in progress (soon to include blocking ASR, haha). I really love music but even when it is playing, I am rarely listening and I can go into a Netflix style skip track frenzy, so if all I want is "background noise" then I stream music, but if I want to really listen to something and take it in without distraction, then I prefer to use vinyl.

The simple act of not being able to skip a track with the push of a button (or voice command) means that I tend to listen to whole albums and I will often discover new tracks that I love but would have skipped over if streaming (after hearing the first few seconds). So it's not connected to audio quality for me, it's simply about staying focussed on the music.
Join the club. Similar experience for me. It’s not uncommon.

That's fascinating, and yes obviously has been cited by others upthread as a reason to listen to vinyl records.

I'm quite opposite. I find it somewhat annoying/disappointing/frustrating when an artist/group I like keeps releasing a string of single after single. With just one track? At least a B-side! Better yet, an EP. I really prefer an album (yes I know that's a lot more creative work).

Sometimes, once I've added an artist's entire output over time, I like to play all of it chronologically (ie from my Apple Music library, don't recall if other streaming services do that, I guess there are playlists, but I never bother making those).

For someone like Arca or Autechre or Tricky with substantial output, that can run for many hours. I guess I have attention inertia disorder, rather than attention deficit. How to do that with vinyl records? An old auto-changer stacking turntable maybe. Perish the thought. :)
 
For someone like Arca or Autechre or Tricky with substantial output, that can run for many hours. I guess I have attention inertia disorder, rather than attention deficit

Do you listen to Boards of Canada?
(I’m getting déjà vu that I’ve perhaps asked before…)
 
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