Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

[Holmz]

I am sorry that you seemed to think that I was personally insulting but different people take things different ways.
When I was in the Western part of your country Freemantle/Perth Nov, Dec & Jan 2004, I rented a flat by the harbor (I was working on a ship there) and a (what I call "rent-a-lemon" Honda car.
1st day, I had some trouble with Y'all's (you all possessive) version of English.
There were a number of people complaining about how bad the mozi's were in the small bar area I found myself in. After hearing this complaint about 3 beers worth (don't remember the beers name but it seemed to be a local one (and quite good, too), I finally said: I have no idea of what a mozi is but I'll buy a beer for the first one to explain it to me. That got a quick result and the word "mosquito". I said Oh, we have those damn bloodsuckers, too, but we call them "skeeters" and, yep, no mater where you're from or what you call 'em, they're certainly bad tonight. I then bought a round and I don't much remember the rest but I was told that a great time was had by all.

Probably “Little Creatures” brewery.

 

[rank]

No problem if you’re speaking for yourself and find them unacceptable.

But there’s plenty of us who find the liabilities of vinyl to be plenty acceptable, given, we still get lots of pleasure listening to records.




As it happens, I rarely find myself reading liner notes on record sleeves or record jackets. I actually used to read more liner notes in the era of the CD. In fact, I sort of view the CD era as a bonanza for liner notes.

For one thing, there was a real emphasis on sound quality, Whether it was the remastering of previously released, classic albums on CD, or new meticulous, digital recordings. a lot was made about the advances of sound quality and so you had really cool liner notes often documenting the care taken in the recording and mastering.

And the CD seem to introduce the booklet style liner notes, which could actually make for much longer and in-depth liner notes.

I am a soundtrack fanatic, and I cherished every new release of a soundtrack from the boutique soundtrack companies: the liner knows would contain all sorts of wonderful information about the history of the score as well as the history of any reconstruction of the score, the steps they took in remastering, etc. I sometimes still miss that aspect of CDs.

(apologies for all the typos, weird, formatting, extra commas, etc. in my posts as I am voice dictating them these days on my stupid iPhone)

You are torpedoing the only argument still valid for the vinyl renaissance, namely larger covers and therefore more readable fonts.
The record has been a culture since the 78 rpm, like photos and films, magnetic tapes that turn to dust over time. Moreover, more than 99.9% of the records pressed today come from digital files. And are of much better quality than those of the time.
Hearing, as with tube amps, has its comfort zone in terms of volume and played very loud, its defects will take over because it will contaminate the entire audio chain. The arm/cartridge is theoretically almost unadjustable even by changing it for each record played.
But whatever, let's forget the crackles that surprise the listener during hifi shows, let's just focus on the distortion of the Goldring Ethos SE at £1299, which oscillates between 1.1-12.5% / 0.15-13.5% for the left-right channels (hifi news measurements).
So say that you are attached to a medium for aesthetic reasons, a nice turntable with big records but for the rest we'll come back to it.

 

[antcollinet]

You are torpedoing the only argument still valid for the vinyl renaissance, namely larger covers and therefore more readable fonts.
The record has been a culture since the 78 rpm, like photos and films, magnetic tapes that turn to dust over time. Moreover, more than 99.9% of the records pressed today come from digital files. And are of much better quality than those of the time.
Hearing, as with tube amps, has its comfort zone in terms of volume and played very loud, its defects will take over because it will contaminate the entire audio chain. The arm/cartridge is theoretically almost unadjustable even by changing it for each record played.
But whatever, let's forget the crackles that surprise the listener during hifi shows, let's just focus on the distortion of the Goldring Ethos SE at £1299, which oscillates between 1.1-12.5% / 0.15-13.5% for the left-right channels (hifi news measurements).
So say that you are attached to a medium for aesthetic reasons, a nice turntable with big records but for the rest we'll come back to it.

Just another (and one who presumably hasn't read the preceding 400 pages to try to get an idea ) who feels they can dictate to others how they should enjoy music.

 

[rank]

There are plenty of other sites to talk vinyl, wires and so on. Listen to whatever medium you want, 78 rpm records, cylinders, 8-track cartridges and watch your VHS or Betamax tapes on your cathode-ray televisions. I myself still have plenty of turntables, cartridges & tonarms (and a cassette recorder too + tapes and records never reissued). And have owned more than anyone here so I know what I'm talking about in the end!
I'm just saying don't talk to us about sound quality. If that's dictatorship! You put up with much more on a daily basis without saying! This is not even a contrary opinion, just a fact: you can't even stand that?

 

[MattHooper]

You are torpedoing the only argument still valid for the vinyl renaissance, namely larger covers and therefore more readable fonts.

Far from it. You were showing that you were just unaware of all the different reasons people have for enjoying records. if you care to understand you’re going to have to move beyond your own side of narrow personal goals, and understand other peoples motivations, and what they like.

I'm just saying don't talk to us about sound quality. If that's dictatorship!

I’m afraid you’re not in a position to tell anybody not to talk about sound quality, whether it’s vinyl or anything else.

We certainly will talk about vinyl sound quality - and what ways it has liabilities, and why some of us may enjoy the sound quite a bit.

If you don’t think vinyl can produce high sound quality you’re certainly welcome to your opinion - judgments of sound quality are ultimately subjective. But all I can do is laugh, given what I hear in my system from good quality records.

If you really want to understand some of the reasons - beyond larger liner notes - that I and others have good reasons for listening to records, you can start here;

Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

To be clear, digital music has the *potential* to be better. Vinyl as a format is inherently limited. This, I agree with. For me, digital has the *potential*, but the current implementation is flawed; mainly in the delivery and the reconstruction, but also in the original quantisation...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[antcollinet]

There are plenty of other sites to talk vinyl, wires and so on.

You are aware there is a subforum here specifically for vinyl discussions. Don't start trying to be the gatekeeper of what can and can't be discussed here... especially when you've joined the discussion all of five minutes ago.

Talking about sound quality of vinyl - and how it compares with other media - is exactly what we can and should be doing in order to inform ourselves and others. After that - once we understand the nature of that sound quality - and any limitations, what comes next is subjective preference. And that is fine too.

- and just who is this "us" in your post? Hmm?

 

[Sal1950]

Be sure to sharpen up your cactus needles, vinyl is making a comeback again.

They forget to mention all those lovely vinyl distortions.

 

[EJ3]

Yep, that is the place. Some people from a something involving Ford 351 Cleveland Engines picked me up from the ships launch boat. (I owned a 1972 Mustang at the time & we had met on line through inter-actions involving that. They helped me find an apartment & a rental car (for the month that I was there, from the end of November, over the Christmas Holliday and left on January 1). I positively enjoyed being there very much.
The people that I met there were just wonderful. I was invited to someone's home for Christmas dinner who had many folks from afar. I was given a beer mug (from Hawaii) as a notation for being the person who came from the furthest away from their home.
I lived on various islands in the Indian Ocean & Western Pacific from 2001-2017 between 7 degrees south of the equator & 15 degrees north of the equator.

 

[antcollinet]

Be sure to sharpen up your cactus needles, vinyl is making a comeback again.

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They forget to mention all those lovely vinyl distortions.

@Sal1950 - you're on a roll. I don't think you've posted that first one before.

 

[Sal1950]

@Sal1950 - you're on a roll. I don't think you've posted that first one before.

I got a million of them!
Nothing in the world I enjoy more than making fun of guys wasting their Hi Fi budgets on dragging a rock thru a ditch.

 

[MattHooper]

@Sal1950 - you're on a roll. I don't think you've posted that first one before.

Indeed. At least we got a new picture this time! And I’d almost forgotten for a moment that vinyl had distortions.

 

[MattHooper]

I got a million of them!
Nothing in the world I enjoy more than making fun of guys wasting their Hi Fi budgets on dragging a rock thru a ditch.

Sal have you considered going the route that Newman took, and just attach some of your anti-vinyl screeds to your signature line? Perhaps it would save you a few posts.

 

[antcollinet]

I got a million of them!
Nothing in the world I enjoy more than making fun of guys wasting their Hi Fi budgets on dragging a rock thru a ditch.

Nothing I like more than spending money on rocks and ditches. I love the smell of vinyl in the morning.

Truth be told - it's a 'kin ridiculous thing to be doing. But I'm having fun doing it anyway.

 

[Sal1950]

Sal have you considered going the route that Newman took, and just attach some of your anti-vinyl screeds to your signature line? Perhaps it would save you a few posts.

Here's a much better use for y'all needles

 

[Terrapin]

Well said: David Hurwitz on vinyl vs. CD

 

[Sal1950]

Well said: David Hurwitz on vinyl vs. CD

That's a great one, very well done without even getting into the detail of all vinyl's sonic weaknesses.

 

[MattHooper]

That's a great one, very well done without even getting into the detail of all vinyl's sonic weaknesses.

I was with him for a bit, but then he started displaying all the typical “ I don’t get it” stuff from somebody who isn’t in to vinyl.
He includes some of the standards exaggerations -“ obvious, audible degradation , even after the first play” - nonsense.

I think it’s fine as a personal rant, but it also exemplifies what I’ve pointed out so many times before; you’re not going to get a good understanding for why people enjoy vinyl from somebody who is not into it.

 

[Sal1950]

I think it’s fine as a personal rant, but it also exemplifies what I’ve pointed out so many times before; you’re not going to get a good understanding for why people enjoy vinyl from somebody who is not into it.

But like myself, he WAS into it and chose to walk away, his ears, wallet, and common sense lead him to vote with digital and give up on an
irrelevant, noisy, distorted, and totally inconvenient, obsolete technology.
Vinyls only real supporting point is that it can be a enormously fun toy to play with for some. From the constant base chores of cleaning and playing the records to forever tweaking all the minuscule details of tracking weight, angle, bias, etc, etc, etc. If your looking for a toy to play with, vinyl records and the LP are nearly unsurpassed. But you might be much better served with your money by a really big box of legos while listening to a modern digital source.

Me, I'd rather spend my time listening to MUSIC, in 2, 4, 5, 9 and more channels.
All the messing about with the rest just became an enormous PITA decades ago.

 

[Count Dacula]

Looks like there are at least two of you who have never done a properly controlled blind test mp3 vs the original. Yet you seem to have very strong opinions about it. Classic golden ear stuff.

So you answered the question with your own question, provided no references for your declarative statement, and threw out an insult....all without even any credentials of your own. Sounds typical of someone who doesn't know what their talking about. I mean, you don't even really know who your talking to either.

 

[Count Dacula]

It doesn't matter. If the background noise is low (like at my home would be low enough & my home is not particularly quiet.
Any speakers, especially any headphones.
Laptop internal speakers. It doesn't matter.
The only thing that alleviates it is background noise. At some point, if there is enough background noise (riding in a car, in a restaurant, airport, being on a ship, etc.), it's not an issue.
Just as in a well ventilated area with clean air, mold would not be an issue.
Why do you people not accept that some people are affected by different things, sounds (lack of sounds), etc.
THAT IS ALSO SCIENCE.
As it apparently doesn't seem to happen to many people, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
We are not identical robots, or all sensitivities would be =
You want to study me, then pay me for my waste of time.
Otherwise save your money and bother someone else about their issues.

I have solved my issue relating to MP3's. I simply don't listen to MP3's at home.

Maybe you should get a psychologist and solve your busybody problem.

I know. I wish people would just post their own opinion for scrutiny, instead of avoiding it like a little B with corrosive reply posts, which add much less than they think.