Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

[drewdawg999]

Also note that not one cent of those prices goes to the artist, who would actually benefit more if you used Spotify.

Those artists already got paid back in the day. It benefits the independent record store that I choose to support, and they buy lots of new records. The market dictates these prices, you can check discogs if you wish, but these are actually reasonable. Amoeba Hollywood charges much more.

 

[drewdawg999]

Just looked up that Rolling Stones album. Amazon has it in Ultra HD and Atmos if you are interested.

Yes but too bad I'm not subscribed to any service, and I also don't have a streamer. The house with my main system doesn't have internet. I could use my phone through Bluetooth on my D-6, but that's lossy and full of ads.

 

[Robin L]

Also note that not one cent of those prices goes to the artist, who would actually benefit more if you used Spotify.

Not "one cent" of Spotify's prices goes to the artist at the current rate either. Just an infinitesimal percent of a cent. Not enough to benefit a performer. Keeping "record" stores alive helps the artists more as they provide venues for selling new physical product with much better payment rates for performers. Of course, record companies have a way of making sure that their artists never see a profit from their recordings anyway. A good argument for self-published recordings.

I've been shopping at stores that sell new and used product, side by side, just about as long as I've been buying recordings. And as I've said before, now that Classical recordings on CD are pretty much no longer in production, I've been given no choice in the matter. Besides, most of what I've been getting lately has been given to me outright or is effectively out of print.

 

[JeremyFife]

I think this is post #7,404 or thereabouts

Safe to say that no-one can explain the vinyl revival and also that no-one really cares

Isn't music wonderful

 

[Axo1989]

Their logic (at least as I recall it*) was that black vinyl was colored using carbon black and that the addition of the particulate black "dye" raised the background noise level. Clear or colored (i.e., transparently colored; 'tinted' shall we say?) vinyl was quieter.

For no reason and based on no research at all I'd just blithely assumed clear records would be inferior, otherwise why wouldn't you make them all clear (they look much better that way). Not disagreeing with you, just wondering at the vagaries of production and marketing. Pouring in buckets of soot made them cheaper? Or wear slower? Or people thought black looked better and Jony Ive hadn't yet shown them the aesthetic delights of translucency?

JVC's "SuperVinyl" was ostensibly developed for CD4 quad albums and was famously used by Mobile Fidelity in the Stan Riker half-speed master days. Records pressed using SuperVinyl manifest the interesting property of looking like a normal black record, but, when held to the light, are seen to be translucent, displaying a very deep root beer (amber-brownish) color.

That sounds like fun too.

 

[Newman]

It feels like just a few hours ago that someone posted, “look, page #366 and it’s a leap year with 366 days”. That was 5 pages ago!

 

[Axo1989]

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Pretty sure this is the particular phenomena Eilish is referring to. Perhaps not owning them all will become the new green bubble. I actually don’t get the gripe, unless you are going to rant against every “collectible” from beanie babies to seeing every movie in the Marvel universe. Completionists are a thing so will be marketed to.

Quite an array. I'm unlikely to get a record collection completist affliction. But I'm half sad and half glad that Criterion don't market or deliver to Australia, because I'd spend/waste good money acquiring every movie by certain directors if the opportunity was open. Every Godard et al could get expensive.

 

[Newman]

For no reason and based on no research at all I'd just blithely assumed clear records would be inferior, otherwise why wouldn't you make them all clear (they look much better that way). Not disagreeing with you, just wondering at the vagaries of production and marketing. Pouring in a bucket of soot made them cheaper? Or wear slower? Or people thought black looked better and Jony Ive hadn't yet shown them the aesthetic delights of translucency?

I think the carbon black was known to reduce static and hence dust.

OTOH there’s this!

© PiratesPress.com​

 

[Axo1989]

Good grief.

"This so-called “revival” is really a commercial shakedown of the fan." - Eamonn Forde, respected music industry journalist.

Also note that not one cent of those prices goes to the artist, who would actually benefit more if you used Spotify.

Quoting Eamonn? And now in your footer too? You're not, like, reading The Guardian are you mate?

 

[Newman]

Feel free to shoot two messengers at once! Love it!

PS it was not the Guardian, it was Music Business Worldwide.

 

[MattHooper]

I think this is post #7,404 or thereabouts

Safe to say that no-one can explain the vinyl revival

I believe I've given a pretty decent account, citing all sorts of factors (and articles/interviews and various realms of support for the account), as have numerous others.

and also that no-one really cares

Projection? Seems an odd inference to post that on page 371 of an enormous well populated thread on the subject.

Isn't music wonderful

Yes. However we enjoy it!

 

[Anton D]

I'm really enjoying spinning "Cedar City Sweetheart" by Andrew Gabbard.

LP = Lovely Playback!

You can get a feel for the album.

Happy Friday!

 

[Axo1989]

Feel free to shoot two messengers at once! Love it!

PS it was not the Guardian, it was Music Business Worldwide.

A good example of misinterpretation maybe?

I like Eamonn's writing, and I like the Guardian (I don't read MBW so no comment on that). The implication was that you choose quality news sources.

 

[Newman]

...I like Eamonn's writing, and I like the Guardian (I don't read MBW so no comment on that). The implication was that you choose quality news sources.

Take another look at what you wrote below...

Quoting Eamonn? And now in your footer too? You're not, like, reading The Guardian are you mate?

Nobody would seriously read that as saying, "I like Eammon's work and I like The Guardian".

 

[Newman]

I'm really enjoying spinning "Cedar City Sweetheart" by Andrew Gabbard.

You can get a feel for the album.

Happy Friday!

Here you go:

What are we listening to right now..

as it says on the tin, music we are enjoying or planning to listen too today.. i hope we all post our music here, all genres all formats so we can share our passions and learn from each other.

www.audiosciencereview.com

Happy Saturday!

 

[mhardy6647]

carbon black and PVC: maybe antistatic, maybe for structural reasons, maybe to provide an easier way to see defects of many kinds (for QC and for obssessive vinylista), if a quick googlage is to be believed.

Google Search

of course, what google shows me won't be exactly what they may show you -- but why not 'ave a wee looksee, eh?

EDIT: This one's a don't miss

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=99579

Oooh, and one from C&E News!

Groovy chemistry: The materials science behind records

cen.acs.org

(I am still an ACS member, but I don't make much of a habit at looking at C&EN anymore. )

 

[mps]

I have an all-digital system. FWIW, there is another system I listen to with both a digital source and a turntable where I generally don’t know which is being used. Yet somehow, the tracks I like the most always turn out to be vinyl. I don’t know if it is better mastering (as Amir likes to point out), volume differences, track differences, etc., but it disturbs me as a scientist to repeatedly see this (but I still can’t bring myself to get a turntable for my system with the knowledge of how inferior it is at accurate reproduction..l)

 

[Jaxjax]

carbon black and PVC: maybe antistatic, maybe for structural reasons, maybe to provide an easier way to see defects of many kinds (for QC and for obssessive vinylista), if a quick googlage is to be believed.

Google Search

of course, what google shows me won't be exactly what they may show you -- but why not 'ave a wee looksee, eh?

EDIT: This one's a don't miss

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=99579

Oooh, and one from C&E News!

Groovy chemistry: The materials science behind records

cen.acs.org

(I am still an ACS member, but I don't make much of a habit at looking at C&EN anymore. )

That JVC translucent stuff is pretty good. The Police did a couple on it..very nice indeed.

 

[Anton D]

Here you go:

What are we listening to right now..

as it says on the tin, music we are enjoying or planning to listen too today.. i hope we all post our music here, all genres all formats so we can share our passions and learn from each other.

www.audiosciencereview.com

Happy Saturday!

This is talking about the vinyl renaissance! This LP is a good reason.

LP = Listening Pleasure!

 

[Axo1989]

Take another look at what you wrote below...

Nobody would seriously read that as saying, "I like Eammon's work and I like The Guardian".

This is an interesting clue to the dynamics of (some) argument in this thread. You are so certain, but entirely wrong.

Firstly, you obviously don't speak for (or think like) everyone here. So "nobody would seriously think" is a generalisation/interpretation and a projection. That's obvious and not arguable.

The second aspect is a bit cryptic, but thinking of you (and me) specifically, you don't offer info on your cultural background/context but you know I'm from Sydney. I've mentioned upthread (the last time you completely misunderstood me) that Australians (generalising of course, not everyone) have some specific styles and uses for sarcasm, for example we "take the piss" as a kind of bonding banter. We also encode meaning to create humour. I've said in other discussions here that I like The Guardian. Once you know that (by chance, you aren't expected to) the meaning of the statement (ie my text that you quoted) is turned around, and that turnaround is a source of enjoyment, like an unexpected change of key/tempo/rhythm/genre in a piece of music.

Anyway these things are simply understood (or not) and a bit tedious to explain (or be explained to). And you are free to distrust and/or reject this explanation, just as you did my previous reply.