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Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?

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My vinyl setup is hum free at sane listening levels. Most of my records are scratch free and quiet as I use a good vacuum record cleaning machine on them. The Hana SL cartridge withe the Shibata profile diamond set up correctly helps with the lack of surface noise. The ifi Zen phono is particularly hum free.


I get vinyl can sound great at times, with a perfect pressing and good equipment. I used to be quite into it years ago!

But, no matter what, when doing vinyl, one is trying to minimize built in issues with how it all works, there are ALWAYS downsides to it, even with the best pressings and equipment. One can only reduce the downsides to where "they" subjectively "Feel" they are not important.

To another...........it may still be important.
 
Technics gives the 1200G and 1200GR exactly the same performance specs.
They only upspec the money-no-object and weight-no-object 1000R
I think the G and GR have different tonearms even though the motor units are the same.
 

Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?​

In any case, the vinyl renaissance cannot be explained by expressing displeasure with it or by trying to discredit vinyl lovers.
I would like to see more constructive contributions. :)
Actually the "displeasure" as you put it, is based on some listeners seem able to ignore many small irregularities with vinyl listening and they believe due to their personal satisfaction, and non ability to hear small issues, that ALL should feel the same to some extent.

Simply put, some can ignore unconsciously issues, and some can not.
The group that have issues hearing problems with vinyl are called haters etc, but in reality are often just more discriminating or hear more into it all.
 
I have the impression that are rather very few, even among those who still like to listen to vinyl records. There are many reasons to do it.
Who has claimed it, for example, here in this thread? I have not found it.
Clearly, you didn't read as far as post number 8.
 

Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?​

In any case, the vinyl renaissance cannot be explained by expressing displeasure with it or by trying to discredit vinyl lovers.
I would like to see more constructive contributions. :)
Unfortunately, you cannot "explain" the vinyl renaissance without discussing some of the negative consequences, or the misplaced beliefs that surround it.
 
I get vinyl can sound great at times, with a perfect pressing and good equipment. I used to be quite into it years ago!

But, no matter what, when doing vinyl, one is trying to minimize built in issues with how it all works, there are ALWAYS downsides to it, even with the best pressings and equipment. One can only reduce the downsides to where "they" subjectively "Feel" they are not important.

To another...........it may still be important.
One thing about a turntable-arm-cartridge-phono preamp system - you easily can make improvements. You have a mechanical system that can be improved by selecting better components and careful setup. Something a hobbyist can "dig into" and have some fun. You will hear the changes - law of diminishing returns will set in, but you can actually make a positive difference. Digital tops out once you spend about $200 on a DAC, which is fine and cost economical. I like both mediums and the majority of the time use the music server. I do spin albums several times a week to treat myself to the recordings I have on vinyl. It is also fun for me to pull the record out of the sleeve, put it on the table, and perform the needle drop. An interesting side effect is I will listen to the whole album side versus jumping tracks with the music server. Unless there are some horrible tunes on that album side, listening to the entire side gives me more joy.
 

Can anyone explain the vinyl renaissance?​

In any case, the vinyl renaissance cannot be explained by expressing displeasure with it or by trying to discredit vinyl lovers.
I would like to see more constructive contributions. :)
I think many of the negative replies are "trolling" looking to "stir things up" a bit. The "ignore" button works in any case.
 
One thing about a turntable-arm-cartridge-phono preamp system - you easily can make improvements. You have a mechanical system that can be improved by selecting better components and careful setup. Something a hobbyist can "dig into" and have some fun. You will hear the changes - law of diminishing returns will set in, but you can actually make a positive difference. Digital tops out once you spend about $200 on a DAC, which is fine and cost economical. I like both mediums and the majority of the time use the music server. I do spin albums several times a week to treat myself to the recordings I have on vinyl. It is also fun for me to pull the record out of the sleeve, put it on the table, and perform the needle drop. An interesting side effect is I will listen to the whole album side versus jumping tracks with the music server. Unless there are some horrible tunes on that album side, listening to the entire side gives me more joy.
I can relate.

Most of the time I use my network player and select tracks or playlists. However I always choose a physical format to play an album from start to finish, there’s just something about the process of not using a touch screen or anything that needs software.

The act of taking an LP out of it‘s sleeve, wiping with a carbon fibre brush and carefully placing it on the platter and lowering the tonearm with that mechanical lever just has something about it that no touch screen can compete with. It looks beautiful and is tactile. It‘s more of an emotional connection.

I also enjoy CDs for similar reasons. It’s an interaction with something tangible and as far as I’m concerned CD level fidelity is all anyone will ever need.

Vinyl requires more effort and more expense to become competitive to digital subjectivity and yes there will always be some flaws with it. Objectively digital blows it away, but listening to an album as it was originally released on a nice setup can be utterly wonderful. I find it amazing how accurate an LP record can sound in 2023 considering it’s an outdated and flawed technology I think it can still hold it‘s head up for anyone who wants to collect something that has meaning to them.

The biggest flaw with vinyl IMO is variable pressing quality, rather than the ability it play it well.
 
Actually the "displeasure" as you put it, is based on some listeners seem able to ignore many small irregularities with vinyl listening and they believe due to their personal satisfaction, and non ability to hear small issues, that ALL should feel the same to some extent.

Simply put, some can ignore unconsciously issues, and some can not.
The group that have issues hearing problems with vinyl are called haters etc, but in reality are often just more discriminating or hear more into it all.
Who are these people?

I continue to fail to find proponents of vinyl here who try to tell others that they should also be proponents.
 
Clearly, you didn't read as far as post number 8.
I've just looked - didn't see anything there but the poster describing their own perception of the sound quality. Nothing in that post to declare objective superiority - or that others should experience the same.
 
I'm a member of a couple of reddit audiophile threads where people post pictures of their rigs and most of the time they include turntables and every time I see one my mind is blown because I outgrew vinyl only a few years after buying my first CD player in the '80's. Back then I had a tape deck, a turntable and a CD player but once I heard digital I knew they was no going back yet people en mass are and I find it baffling given all the benefits of youtube. The first and most obvious benefit is, it's free. Secondly, youtube has an almost endless catalog of music, with the original music video, the karaoke versions of songs, live versions and videos that include the lyrics. Thirdly, the convenience of simply clicking my mouse a few times and opening up a world of music is pretty alluring. I always wondered about the sound quality though so I bought a CD a few years ago to compare youtube to CD and couldn't hear any difference. LP's on the other hand can only be played one at a time, require time, money and effort to obtain and play and also require money and effort to maintain and as your collection of LP's grows it obviously becomes more expensive and takes up space-something youtube doesn't yet most reddit audiophiles are flocking to them

Does the vinyl renaissance make sense to you because it sure doesn't to me

It is hard to make sense of this other than the fact that to really enjoy vinyl you must spend quite a bit of money to do it properly. To me to approach high quality IMHO you need a $1k table, a nearly $500 to $1k phono stage, and at least a $750 cart. Of course you can spend less, but are you going to even approach hearing close to all of what is in the groves? This all goes back to buy right, buy once. The upgrade path is costly. The other issue is the price of vinyl, good pressings, are not cheap. THE MIAN THING I LIKE IS THAT I CAN READ THE LINER NOTES!

I wanted to see what $200 could buy in a table today so I bought an Audio Technica LP30 TK for $208 off Amazon. It has a built in phono stage and comes with a AT-VM95C cartridge, a good $50 value for free and pre-mounted starting out and you can up-grade the stylus at will. The table runs slow at 994 for a $1000hz tone. The tonearm is easily balanced and has no horizontal float with no anti-skate, so a decent arm. It is 2 speed 33 and 45. There are other models other than this Teak plinth for more money and you can get one with a carbon Fiber Arm for $499, but basically the same table. I consider that this table will not damage your lps, a good thing. The platter speed is consistent, but slow, and I would let it run for 48-72 hours to break in the motor.

I am now using it as a 2nd table with a change out of the cartridge for a old Shure M97HE I had as a spare from years ago. I could have bought the upgrade EN stylus for $99 with is a nude mounted elliptical stylus on the same cantilever. Elliptical styli track high frequencies better. I am also using it with a $400 2 box Vincent Phono stage and would say that this combo I have enjoyed very much. So upgrading is possible. I did not try the internal phono stage. I was surprised at what $200 bought.

On my digital side I am using Project digital DAC boxes, the Stereophile A rated S2's that sound remarkable with my CD spinners. The sound is excellent and superbly convenient. The quality of sound is dependent upon the engineering of the CD, the same can be said for the LP.

I am 76 and have an extensive collection from years past and have given away many of my good tables to my older kids now. My main table is an old Dual 502 with a high torque AC motor that I paid $25 for. I replaced the bad arm with a Rega RB250 arm which I bought then for $250 and use an Ortofon OM 30 and a AT VM95E which I have tied on a lark and is sounds fine. The Ortofon OM line was very popular back in the day as it had 5 stylus choices from the 5.10.20,30 and 40 styli. that table has a nice external phono stage as well.

The weak links are always the cartridge/styli and the phono stage, which is the = of a microphone preamp for recording. You can buy one for $100, but no recording engineer would use it on anything but spoken word work. You can buy very good for $500 to $1k as well. A good recording engineer will do that.

If you don't mind the extra attention to play them, vinyl can be fun and hunting down old releases called "bin-diving", can be fun, but you must be careful as much used vinyl has been played on poor turntables and not treated well, so caveat emptor.
 
One thing about a turntable-arm-cartridge-phono preamp system - you easily can make improvements. You have a mechanical system that can be improved by selecting better components and careful setup. Something a hobbyist can "dig into" and have some fun. You will hear the changes - law of diminishing returns will set in, but you can actually make a positive difference. Digital tops out once you spend about $200 on a DAC, which is fine and cost economical. I like both mediums and the majority of the time use the music server. I do spin albums several times a week to treat myself to the recordings I have on vinyl. It is also fun for me to pull the record out of the sleeve, put it on the table, and perform the needle drop. An interesting side effect is I will listen to the whole album side versus jumping tracks with the music server. Unless there are some horrible tunes on that album side, listening to the entire side gives me more joy.
Thank you for the explanation. Your audio philosophy certainly seems to be similar to mine.
 
Actually the "displeasure" as you put it, is based on some listeners seem able to ignore many small irregularities with vinyl listening and they believe due to their personal satisfaction, and non ability to hear small issues, that ALL should feel the same to some extent.

Simply put, some can ignore unconsciously issues, and some can not.
The group that have issues hearing problems with vinyl are called haters etc, but in reality are often just more discriminating or hear more into it all.
You make some funny assumptions here. You mean, for example, that vinyl listeners would ignore "small irregularities" would not have the ability to hear "small issues" and are probably "less discriminating" and that they are therefore satisfied with their vinyl records.

If you said that directly to me, I might take it as an insult, because I am an experienced audiophile listener with a generally high quality demand. I know music and I know technology. But I still like to listen to vinyl records from time to time. So what?
 
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I am listening to Love over Gold right now on vinyl, fascinating how good it sounds given all the faults if the vinyl medium.
It shows how forgiving our ear/brain really is.. I do not notice 10% distortion at 10khz at all…
I can't complain about good recordings on vinyl either. I take them as they are and listen to them on a good system.

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I am listening to Love over Gold right now on vinyl,
One of the biggest ironies is that back in the day there were a lot of popular music songs like "Telegraph Road" with very dramatic leads ins that started very quiet and built to a creshendo. Effects like this are where digital technology with it's low noise floor could really shine compared to vinyl. But what ended up happening to digital technologies great promise? Modern popular music uses it to eliminate any dynamic content and then it is also used to go back and eliminate the dynamic content of older music with digital remasterings. The first thing destroyed with a loud remaster is a quiet lead in. Crazy how things work out sometimes.
 
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I am listening to Love over Gold right now on vinyl, fascinating how good it sounds given all the faults if the vinyl medium.
It shows how forgiving our ear/brain really is.. I do not notice 10% distortion at 10khz at all…
My car radio agrees
 

By the way, the album I linked at #2735 is rather difficult for this recording media because it contains many quiet spots and noise arises from the background that make you wonder if it's tape hiss, water flowing, wind or groove noise, or a mix of all that. At home, my own LP plays much better than the digital rip on YouTube. I guess not a very good turntable was used, or the record was already worn or dirty.

I have significantly less surface noise and pops with my turntable and the tone is more clear.
 
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It is hard to make sense of this other than the fact that to really enjoy vinyl you must spend quite a bit of money to do it properly. To me to approach high quality IMHO you need a $1k table, a nearly $500 to $1k phono stage, and at least a $750 cart. Of course you can spend less, but are you going to even approach hearing close to all of what is in the groves? This all goes back to buy right, buy once. The upgrade path is costly. The other issue is the price of vinyl, good pressings, are not cheap. THE MIAN THING I LIKE IS THAT I CAN READ THE LINER NOTES!

I wanted to see what $200 could buy in a table today so I bought an Audio Technica LP30 TK for $208 off Amazon. It has a built in phono stage and comes with a AT-VM95C cartridge, a good $50 value for free and pre-mounted starting out and you can up-grade the stylus at will. The table runs slow at 994 for a $1000hz tone. The tonearm is easily balanced and has no horizontal float with no anti-skate, so a decent arm. It is 2 speed 33 and 45. There are other models other than this Teak plinth for more money and you can get one with a carbon Fiber Arm for $499, but basically the same table. I consider that this table will not damage your lps, a good thing. The platter speed is consistent, but slow, and I would let it run for 48-72 hours to break in the motor.

I am now using it as a 2nd table with a change out of the cartridge for a old Shure M97HE I had as a spare from years ago. I could have bought the upgrade EN stylus for $99 with is a nude mounted elliptical stylus on the same cantilever. Elliptical styli track high frequencies better. I am also using it with a $400 2 box Vincent Phono stage and would say that this combo I have enjoyed very much. So upgrading is possible. I did not try the internal phono stage. I was surprised at what $200 bought.

On my digital side I am using Project digital DAC boxes, the Stereophile A rated S2's that sound remarkable with my CD spinners. The sound is excellent and superbly convenient. The quality of sound is dependent upon the engineering of the CD, the same can be said for the LP.

I am 76 and have an extensive collection from years past and have given away many of my good tables to my older kids now. My main table is an old Dual 502 with a high torque AC motor that I paid $25 for. I replaced the bad arm with a Rega RB250 arm which I bought then for $250 and use an Ortofon OM 30 and a AT VM95E which I have tied on a lark and is sounds fine. The Ortofon OM line was very popular back in the day as it had 5 stylus choices from the 5.10.20,30 and 40 styli. that table has a nice external phono stage as well.

The weak links are always the cartridge/styli and the phono stage, which is the = of a microphone preamp for recording. You can buy one for $100, but no recording engineer would use it on anything but spoken word work. You can buy very good for $500 to $1k as well. A good recording engineer will do that.

If you don't mind the extra attention to play them, vinyl can be fun and hunting down old releases called "bin-diving", can be fun, but you must be careful as much used vinyl has been played on poor turntables and not treated well, so caveat emptor.

Welcome to the discussion!
This thread benefits from contributions by experienced people.
 
You make some funny assumptions here. You mean, for example, that vinyl listeners would ignore "small irregularities" would not have the ability to hear "small issues" and are probably "less discriminating" and that they are therefore satisfied with their vinyl records.

If you said that directly to me, I might take it as an insult, because I am an experienced audiophile listener with a generally high quality demand. I know music and I know technology. But I still like to listen to vinyl records from time to time. So what?
I said SOME vinyl listeners. Not all, not you, not anyone in particular HERE......

The people I refer to are random comments I have read on SEVERAL various forums over the years and a few in real life.
This forum is far more reserved.

Please quit taking all of what I say personally, it does not refer to YOU, nor anyone in THIS FORUM.
When you ask me "What people", I do not document and save every comment into my memory about vinyl.

Is someone not allowed to make a comment without you being offended or asking for lists of peoples names.....:facepalm:
 
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