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Cadentia 3 Product Development thread / Audio First Designs

Curious about your current system.
Looks like NAD, a TT top center?
KEF KC-62 subs?
Speakers unknown, maybe a NUC.

Sorry to be so nosey but it looks like a well thoughtout purposeful config.
I'm pondering my system around Cadentia3s
It's a little complicated. It's really two systems in one room. Two-channel and home theater.

The home theater is an ultra-short-throw projector (the grayish component on the top shelf in the center) that projects on the screen mounted on the wall. The whiteish speakers on the wall are part of Sony's HT-A9 all in one along with the black box on the left side of the bottom shelf. There's an Apple TV and Ugoos player you can't really see along with two more speakers and a sub that are part of the HT-A9

The two channel system is a NAD M66 preamp/streamer and NAD M23 amp. The black tower speakers behind the Cadentias are Magico S1s and the small subs are KEF KC62s. The M66 has Dirac Bass Control and is how I ran the S1s and KC62s. I'm not currently using any room correction or subs with the Cadentias but might when I get things settled in. The black component on the right side of the bottom shelf is an Audioquest power conditioner.
 
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It's a little complicated. It's really two systems in one room. Two-channel and home theater.

The home theater is an ultra-short-throw projector (the grayish component on the top shelf in the center) that projects on the screen mounted on the wall. The whiteish speakers on the wall are part of Sony's HT-A9 all in one along with the black box on the left side of the bottom shelf. There's an Apple TV and Ugoos player you can't really see along with two more speakers and a sub that are part of the HT-A9

The two channel system is a NAD M66 preamp/streamer and NAD M23 amp. The black tower speakers behind the Cadentias are Magico S1s and the small subs are KEF KC62s. The M66 has Dirac Bass Control and is how I ran the S1s and KC62s. I'm not currently using any room correction or subs with the Cadentias but might when I get things settled in. The black component on the right side of the bottom shelf is an Audioquest power conditioner.
Nice system. Congrats
 
Hey guys! It's been quite a while since my last update. It's been really busy in the past few months (isn't it always...)!

The renovation and setting-up of the new office were finally done back in early July. I am really happy with the new place, as I finally have enough space for all sorts of work and storage (well, for now…).

The winch in the NFS room is such a lifesaver to have; now moving a floorstander up to the platform becomes kind of a fun job. It still requires two people, though, for health and safety reasons.

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The rest of July and early Aug was dedicated to a very interesting consultancy project. The things I designed and made together with my client will be exhibited at the GearCon in London on the 18th. It's something quite special, and I am excited about it! I hope more people will go try it out. I can’t share more information at the moment, but I will post about it when allowed.

Then I went on a trip to Taiwan last week. Not sure if you guys remembered, but about a year ago, I shared a custom-made, invisible 5.2.2 surround sound system and room acoustic design project that I worked on for a common room in a residential building in Taichung. Construction was completed earlier this year, and I finally had the chance to visit and set everything up properly.

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The following graph shows the frequency response measured at the sofa position. There is no any EQ room correction / Dirac Live applied to it. Its simply a result of the room acoustics design, loudspeaker design and the CABS all working together.

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The subwoofers might look big but they are actually thin (15cm internal depth), so I didn't ask them to sing flat all the way down to 20hz due to the SPL requirement and other limitations.

After that, I took the opportunity to organise a launch event for my Cadentia 3 in Taipei on the 15th together with my dealer, Squarewave.

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The room was packed that day, and I was genuinely overwhelmed by the passion and enthusiasm of everyone who attended. Many people stayed well after the event and continued listening to music until the shop closed!

We also had quite a few people from the industry joining us, as well as university students studying electroacoustics. During the Q&A session, we had some really in-depth technical discussions, which took the event to a whole different level beyond a typical Hi-Fi demonstration.

A huge thank you to everyone who came to the event (I know some of you are ASR members too). It was lovely to meet you all, and I'm very grateful for the enthusiasm and thoughtful discussions.
 

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The following graph shows the frequency response measured at the sofa position. There is no any EQ room correction / Dirac Live applied to it. Its simply a result of the room acoustics design, loudspeaker design and the CABS all working together.
incredible
 
Killer room, Harry. World Class.
3 questions:
1. No subwoofer in the demo. Confidence in your design.
2. What is the upstream gear you used. Very interested in this
3. The pic with you using the winch looks like a floorstander design. Cadentia 4?
 
Killer room, Harry. World Class.
3 questions:
1. No subwoofer in the demo. Confidence in your design.
2. What is the upstream gear you used. Very interested in this
3. The pic with you using the winch looks like a floorstander design. Cadentia 4?
Looks like a Q Acoustic speaker with the rounded corners but can be an Audiofirst floorstander prototype too
 
Killer room, Harry. World Class.
3 questions:
1. No subwoofer in the demo. Confidence in your design.
2. What is the upstream gear you used. Very interested in this
3. The pic with you using the winch looks like a floorstander design. Cadentia 4?

1. If you place the Cadentia 3 in the right place, it sounds quite full-range already.
2. Just a Fosi ZD3 DAC and a Neurochrome power amp at the moment. Planning to get a WEISS DAC for my office listening room later.
3. Nope, just a random speaker from a customer!
 
Personally I wouldn’t spend that much on a dac.
Best,
Keith
 
Personally I wouldn’t spend that much on a dac.
Best,
Keith
I know, but I got a good deal, so it's ok.
The main reason being that I had some customers who visited me and despised my system.
Having something Hi-end-ish can keep these kinds of conversations away...
 
Btw, a little bit random, but since I wrote about the home theatre system in Taiwan (I posted on FB too), I have a few inquiries about whether I will make the main speaker into a product. Maybe not in-wall, but an on-wall version.

So, just thinking out loud - Do you guys think the following design will interest you / Home theatre system enthusiasts:
  • 2-way system
  • Sensitivity around 89 -90db
  • 1-inch exit compression driver with horn+ 7.5-inch TPCD woofer, capable of high output
  • Side- or down-firing bass reflex port; can be plugged to make it sealed if wanted (accessories included).
  • Size HxWxD: 400mm x 260mm x 150mm
  • VESA 100 x 100 mounting
  • Comes with grille
Just didn't really see many products similar to this on the market.
 
Btw, a little bit random, but since I wrote about the home theatre system in Taiwan (I posted on FB too), I have a few inquiries about whether I will make the main speaker into a product. Maybe not in-wall, but an on-wall version.

So, just thinking out loud - Do you guys think the following design will interest you / Home theatre system enthusiasts:
  • 2-way system
  • Sensitivity around 89 -90db
  • 1-inch exit compression driver with horn+ 7.5-inch TPCD woofer, capable of high output
  • Side- or down-firing bass reflex port; can be plugged to make it sealed if wanted (accessories included).
  • Size HxWxD: 400mm x 260mm x 150mm
  • VESA 100 x 100 mounting
  • Comes with grille
Just didn't really see many products similar to this on the market.
Definitely and not just for home theater ! Kind of a high-SPL F6Bs, we need more good low-depth speakers !
 
Btw, a little bit random, but since I wrote about the home theatre system in Taiwan (I posted on FB too), I have a few inquiries about whether I will make the main speaker into a product. Maybe not in-wall, but an on-wall version.

So, just thinking out loud - Do you guys think the following design will interest you / Home theatre system enthusiasts:
  • 2-way system
  • Sensitivity around 89 -90db
  • 1-inch exit compression driver with horn+ 7.5-inch TPCD woofer, capable of high output
  • Side- or down-firing bass reflex port; can be plugged to make it sealed if wanted (accessories included).
  • Size HxWxD: 400mm x 260mm x 150mm
  • VESA 100 x 100 mounting
  • Comes with grille
Just didn't really see many products similar to this on the market.

I'd like this very much.
Afaik only Lyngdorf offer this now and imo it would be a product with great appeal.
 
Btw, a little bit random, but since I wrote about the home theatre system in Taiwan (I posted on FB too), I have a few inquiries about whether I will make the main speaker into a product. Maybe not in-wall, but an on-wall version.

So, just thinking out loud - Do you guys think the following design will interest you / Home theatre system enthusiasts:
  • 2-way system
  • Sensitivity around 89 -90db
  • 1-inch exit compression driver with horn+ 7.5-inch TPCD woofer, capable of high output
  • Side- or down-firing bass reflex port; can be plugged to make it sealed if wanted (accessories included).
  • Size HxWxD: 400mm x 260mm x 150mm
  • VESA 100 x 100 mounting
  • Comes with grille
Just didn't really see many products similar to this on the market.
There are a few products like this that are popular in the custom installation market:

Ascendo
M&K
Artcoustic

Have you considered offering a more complete cinema range that included screen and height channels and an infra sub?
 
Btw, a little bit random, but since I wrote about the home theatre system in Taiwan (I posted on FB too), I have a few inquiries about whether I will make the main speaker into a product. Maybe not in-wall, but an on-wall version.

So, just thinking out loud - Do you guys think the following design will interest you / Home theatre system enthusiasts:
  • 2-way system
  • Sensitivity around 89 -90db
  • 1-inch exit compression driver with horn+ 7.5-inch TPCD woofer, capable of high output
  • Side- or down-firing bass reflex port; can be plugged to make it sealed if wanted (accessories included).
  • Size HxWxD: 400mm x 260mm x 150mm
  • VESA 100 x 100 mounting
  • Comes with grille
Just didn't really see many products similar to this on the market.

If you're doing this, I think offering a dedicated subwoofer capable of matching the SPL output of the mid-bass woofer would greatly improve the attractiveness of the proposition, similar to what Sigberg Audio does.

It would need to be as plug-and-play as possible: a crossover between the sub and top speaker factory-set, with both units stacking together to form a cohesive visual design.

You could also offer a version of the sub meant to be handled traditionally (via an AVR).

That way, using two dedicated enclosures, you have all bases covered:

- People who want a 3-way, full-range, high-SPL, horn-loaded stereo system.

- People who want a home theater system with all "small" speakers and separate subs.

- People who want a home theater system with "large" front speakers, "small" surround/rear speakers, and dedicated subs.

(Not sure what specific requirements a standalone "top" speaker might need beyond that, though.)
 
Selfishly, I would like to see a subwoofer (in kit form of course) to pair with the Cadentia 3s before a center channel or on-walls. Curious whether this type of HT speaker or two-channel hi-fi has the larger market size?
 
I understand wanting a matching sub because you love the sound.
It really does depend on what music genre you listen to.
Strictly acoustic, unnecessary.Even rock won't require sub 40Hz.
Electronica anything, Pipe organ yeah
 
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