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Buying advice Turntable without snake oil

Marcus85

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Hello everyone,

I would like to buy a turntable in the near future, but I don't really know anything about the subject yet. I would like a record player that delivers optimum sound quality but doesn't have to pay the high-end vodoo snake oil price. Well, I can well imagine that it is similar to other high-end equipment, that at some point a certain physical optimum is reached and everything else is just measurable but not audible differences at horrendous prices.

To cut a long story short, which affordable turntable would you recommend for optimum sound? I would like to spend up to a maximum of 1000€ for a turntable including phono preamp, preferably less. Is that realistic?

I like the following, for example:
Fiio TT13
Reloop Turn7
JBL Spinner
JBL TT350
Sony PS-LX310BT
Rega Planar
Various Pro-Ject models
 
Direct drive something, Technics perhaps.
Keith
 
Aren’t they all "snake oil"?
For someone solely concerned with sound quality, a turntable wouldn’t be the recommended choice.

So, it seems like you have other external factors influencing your decision to get a turntable.

Wouldn’t those same factors also determine which turntable you choose?
 
Aren’t they all "snake oil"?
For someone solely concerned with sound quality, a turntable wouldn’t be the recommended choice.

So, it seems like you have other external factors influencing your decision to get a turntable.

Wouldn’t those same factors also determine which turntable you choose?
Interesting argument, you're kind of right.
However, I am concerned with the analog sound, which of course cannot compete with the measured values of digital sources, but has its own charm. For example, I have a 100-year-old music chest with tubes and I really like the sound.
 
Have a Project Debut Carbon Evo paired with a used Musical Fidelity V90 LPS phono stage. Biggest upgrade was getting a cheap stylus force gauge and upgrading the cartridge to an Audio-Technica VM540ML, which solved the inner groove distortion problem. Happy with the sound now for around 900 Euro.
 
, I am concerned with the analog sound, which of course cannot compete with the measured values of digital sources, but has its own charm
Sounds like snake oil to me!
You could also say your preference seems highly subjective and can’t really be quantified as "better"—it’s likely more of a nostalgic preference, maybe not just about sound quality alone.

Therefore, it’s hard—if not impossible—to suggest what would be good for you.
 
To cut a long story short, which affordable turntable would you recommend for optimum sound? I would like to spend up to a maximum of 1000€ for a turntable including phono preamp, preferably less. Is that realistic?
It sure is.

A bit over your limit Technics SL-1200mk7 and if you don't know TTs maybe this a bit silly to get started with. It's a very capable deck.

In lower prices I like Denon DP-300F because it's automatic and audiophiles hate automatic. Actually, automatic is a very useful practical feature. I hate having to get up off the couch when I'm in the middle of a chapter and I hate listening to the run out groove.

And I like Audio-Technica AT-LP120XUSB which is basically a knock-off of the SL-1200 but at beginner pricing. Comes with AT-HS6 headshell and AT-VM95E cart, which is a very nice one.

You can do endless destructive chemical analysis on these three decks and you will find ZERO snake oil.

For reasons of my own personal history I hate all that knock-off Linn-style, low-mass, belt-drive stuff like Rega and Pro-Ject. That's the department that aspires to snake oil, even if the desks in your price range have oils from less exotic critters.

But first, do you have a collection to play?

And welcome to ASR.
 
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I grew-up with vinyl and I would also advise against it. The audio quality is inferior to digital and records are easily damaged, more expensive than digital, and records seem to "deteriorate" even if you take care of them.

The biggest limitation is noise. There is always background noise during quiet parts and between tracks and there is occasionally worse "snap", "crackle", and "pop". There are also frequency response variations from the cartridge and occasional tracking distortion. You can tweak the frequency response with EQ or tone controls and you shouldn't hear distortion on most records so those aren't as important as the noise.

That said, if I were in the market for a turntable I'd consider the AT-LP120. It doesn't seem too cheap or crazy expensive, it's direct drive (no belts or drive wheels to wear out), it comes ready to play with a cartridge and a built-in preamp, plus it has USB for digitizing. The one feature it seems to be lacking is auto-stop.

I have a 40-year old Technics direct drive and it still works fine. (It hasn't been in continuous use for 40 years... For the last few decades it's only been used to occasionally digitize records that weren't available digitally.)

I'd also consider the Waxwing preamp which has built-in noise reduction. But it costs $500 and I guess it's not for people who like "the sound of vinyl". :p

but has its own charm. For example, I have a 100-year-old music chest with tubes and I really like the sound.
If you digitize a record the digital copy will sound identical to the original-direct vinyl (in a proper blind listening test).

If you like the "warm crackle" of vinyl that's fine. But the defects & limitations in vinyl are completely different from limitations of a poorly made tube amp.

I would guess the tube amp has high frequency roll-off or other frequency response irregularities, which could be approximated with EQ. It might also have some distortion and that's more difficult to simulate. There are tube simulation plug-ins for DAWs and audio editors but they aren't easy to use in real-time. It may also have some hum and/or hiss.
 
If you have a decent record collection already and want to listen to it, I would say a direct drive with an AT-cartridge + the waxwing phono pre so you can filter out clicks and pops.

If no collection exists, I would think again.
 
have to pay the high-end vodoo snake oil price.
What do YOU consider voodoo snake oil? That would eliminate all of the bad choices and what was left would be what you have to chose from.
I suggest you understand what you are looking for first. It seems prices is first and. Second will used work for you?

A lot of crazy things can happen, an old. 78.00 USD AR between when it was sold and 30 years after the fact. The same can be said for most TT.

Cart, and tonearm compliance is first to match and then a phono stage with fixed parameters or that you can adjust from (usually fixed)
MM and many MI carts to variable loading for MC carts. Whether the phono stage is onboard or separate is another option. A cart from 1-200.00
usd, a used phono stage like a PA Puffin (2-400.00 used) and then a simple belt drive that cost from 2-500.00 like any of the Thorens TD140-165s
90% of all the parts are interchangeable.

I've had people give me several Thoren with good parts. I've assembled at least 50 or so through the years.
TD-160 or 65s both being very close are one of my old favorites. Some have swappable armboards. I think it's the TD-150 (you just need to look)

There is the difference between a typical home TT, Broadcast, Transcription, or DJ rig.

Broadcast: The old Russco, QRK, and Sparta are broadcast, there is no need for any speed control because their job was to work 24/7/365 for 100,000 hours.
They have large fractional motors, grease or oil ports, and easy-to-service parts like drive pullies.
They Que by a simple toggle. 200-1500.00 depending on plinth, tonearm, and cart. BTW mine have a gear shifter for speed control, 33, 45, 78.
Normally they are Queued by Headphones with the stylus down on the record and the toggle flips the power off. The needle stays down on the record
and when it's time you simply flip the toggle. All broadcasts TT are supposed to hit full speed in 1/4 to 3/4 of one revolution. BTW that's the reason the
noise was added between songs, to Que properly and have at least 1 complete revolution between songs for Broadcast standards.

Transcription: On the other hand have a speed control, but still have fairly large motors that are notably quieter and usually less rumble for
transcription or playback. They were used in the recording industry so you can match speed from machine to machine. They are easy to service
and many are considered very collectible like the Thoren TD-121 or 124 or Garrard 301 or 401. All can be had, though not at such a reasonable price
in some cases. A TD121 can be as low as 3-700.00 to a Garrard 301 or TD-124 II to well over 5K.

DJ rigs can be DD or Slipper Que like the Russcos, speed control or not, dependable BUT in many cases not so easy to maintain if they have issues. The
fact that seldom there is a problem with DD is a testament to it's self. They can abuse the hell out of a DJ rig, you need to be careful in the used department
unless you use a Broadcast or Transcription rig. They are pretty easy to tune or repair.

Home use: there are 100s to choose from like the Thoren belt drives, Rega, Sony, and just a slough to choose from. They can vary from 300-30K.
This is where you can spend a bloody fortune. I can seldom hear the difference in one of my tricked-out Russcos and a 10K rig. BUT some swear they
can and usually fall in love with the looks and some BS about the difference in .001 and .002 on some obscure measurement.

Above all have fun, don't spend a fortune and like most you'll probably stop when you have 15 in boxes and a couple you really like. Don't worry about
what other say or how bad records are. After 50 years of fixing and flogging it's just a lot of fun for the majority of people that want to do just that
HAVE FUN.

Regards
 
Direct drive something, Technics perhaps.
Keith
Hi Keith! Since you have been selling gear for quite a bit and problably seen a nice variety of examples, I can ask you directly. I really like non-"board" designs on turntables. Think stuff such as Avid turntables of Pro-Ject RPM line. Is there any direct drive with a non-conventional shape that will not require to sell your soul to buy?
 
Have a Project Debut Carbon Evo paired with a used Musical Fidelity V90 LPS phono stage. Biggest upgrade was getting a cheap stylus force gauge and upgrading the cartridge to an Audio-Technica VM540ML, which solved the inner groove distortion problem. Happy with the sound now for around 900 Euro.
This is the BEST advice in the whole thread. Get a turntable that can support the VM540ML and you're done.
 
I would consider the Technics SL-100C.

The included cartridge (Audio Technica AT-VM95C) should be replaced with a better one, like maybe Audio Technica AT-VM95ML.

Phonostage something like Pro-Ject Phono Box S2.
 
Hello everyone,

I would like to buy a turntable in the near future, but I don't really know anything about the subject yet. I would like a record player that delivers optimum sound quality but doesn't have to pay the high-end vodoo snake oil price. Well, I can well imagine that it is similar to other high-end equipment, that at some point a certain physical optimum is reached and everything else is just measurable but not audible differences at horrendous prices.

To cut a long story short, which affordable turntable would you recommend for optimum sound? I would like to spend up to a maximum of 1000€ for a turntable including phono preamp, preferably less. Is that realistic?

I like the following, for example:
Fiio TT13
Reloop Turn7
JBL Spinner
JBL TT350
Sony PS-LX310BT
Rega Planar
Various Pro-Ject models

If your reasons for wanting a turntable are only about getting the best audio sound quality possible, because in much of the 'high end' world it is assumed to be so, the reality is that the highest fidelity sound reproduction you are going to get isn't going to come from a vinyl record, it will come from a digital source. If you are aware of that, and still want to go down the Turntable path, I'd probably go with a Technics of some flavor, new or used.

I am fully aware of the limitations of Vinyl, yet enjoy my Turntables (yes, I have several) and playing around with them and my many cartridges, and about 700 records. Why do I bother? No idea, and don't really care that others may not feel the same way, nor would I tell anyone they 'should' get into records and turntables unless they educate themselves about what they are getting into. For what a decent Vinyl setup costs, you could put that towards better speakers or a lifetime roon subscription and couple years of Tidal. If it sounds like 'we' are trying to discourage you from this endeavor, we are. It is expensive, it takes a fair bit of effort to climb the learning curve to get things properly set up, and it will always have the limitations inherent in vinyl, none of which exists with digital sources.

But still, I enjoy playing records sometimes, and when I do I like it to sound as good as it can within it's inherent limitations. It isn't just for novelty, it is to enjoy listening to the music I'm playing.

My main turntable is a Kenwood KP-880D2, running an AT VM-540ml cartridge through a Parks Audio Puffin. It's just fun to have and play with, and I try to get the best sound out of it that I can but I don't confuse myself by thinking it is the ultimate in sound quality reproduction.
 
I like the following, for example:
I'd also look at the Orbit line of turntables:

I'd skip the "Basic", but from there up are pretty good.
 
While a new Technics 1200 series is out of reach for your budget, used ones a very common thus easy to find in good condition. Audio Technica's cartridges are good, reasonably priced and are designed to make swapping out different styluses easy. Amirm very recently reviewed a phono stage that is only a little more than $100 and performs among the best:

 
Hi, you'll hear many arguments against vinyl, with good reason. There are also good reasons for getting a turntable too - just not for the best sound quality. As long as you know that, then it's your choice to get a turntable and that's fine. Watch out for costs getting out of hand though.

A decent cartridge can make a big difference (around 200) but you can get less expensive models and upgrade by simply swapping the stylus. The AT VM95 range is pretty great for that.

Aesthetics: there's a basic choice between "DJ", direct drive like Technics and the sleeker Rega/Pro-Ject style.
I also like the AT LP120 in your price range, and think that direct drive has advantages.
If you prefer other styles that's fine - Rega and Pro-Ject make good TTs too. Your call, don't overspend.

Good luck :)
 
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