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Buying a new CD player

Hats off to good restorers of hi-fi gear!

Nevertheless, I do not see your point.

From the history of your posts on this thread since the very first one you wrote, you seem to believe than only old CD players of the past are capable of dealing properly with 16 bits/44.1 ksps PCM as produced through playback of CD Audio whereas newer one are less prone to achieve that.

This belief has no ground. There are plenty of old CD players that cannot achieve true 16 bits accuracy, whereas there are plenty of newer one, and even SA-CD players, DVD-V players or BR-D players, that, when playing CD, actually achieve 16 bits accuracy (or better when playing more advanced digital discs). And of course, there are some old CD players that may achieve true 16 bits accuracy (though they most probably were not cheap) whereas newer ones might not.

And all these players, the better and the worst, are true to the Redbook standard. If they weren't, they wouldn't be able the read CDs and they wouldn't bear the name "CD player" and its associated logo because neither Philips nor Sony, who own the intellectual property on the "CD - Compact Disc", would tolerate that situation.
I have no idea how you get that interpretation of my posts.
Perhaps you need a reading comprehension course.
 
NAD 538 with Wolfson dac chip ..... sounds amazing for 350
Is it going to perform better than Blu Ray player Panasonic UB9000 with its AKM 32-bit/768kHz DAC? ( i guess it is AKM but not so sure)
 
Is it going to perform better than Blu Ray player Panasonic UB9000 with its AKM 32-bit/768kHz DAC? ( i guess it is AKM but not so sure)

I would like to know that too I considered the Panny ... the 538 has a relaxed sound which is real important to me in digital. the Panny is amazing at 4k video - bettering the Somy units by a wide margin. the Panny can also play blu-ray Audio ,,,,,, funny you mention that unit now as I was just thinking about it also !
 
I would like to know that too I considered the Panny ... the 538 has a relaxed sound which is real important to me in digital. the Panny is amazing at 4k video - bettering the Somy units by a wide margin. the Panny can also play blu-ray Audio ,,,,,, funny you mention that unit now as I was just thinking about it also !
Yeah, I see its price goes rapidly down, due to people stopped watching Blu Ray discs and it is a good player I guess even as CD transport and used with it's DAC.
 
I bought an used Harman Kardon DVD25 for around 30 euros in very good shape. Works wonderfully, just connected it through optical out
 
Some way off topic nonsense cleaned up. Lets discuss CD players , not international education systems.

And whilst I am at it, some people need to really de-escalate and maybe take a breather.

Thanks
 
Ciao Everyone,

I added a review of the Teac VRDS-20 as a testimony of the VRDS crazy drive (with a Sony head). As a transport, it delivers, not doubts. But as a 30 years old DAC, we can find much better, measurements wise. Will you hear the difference? Well, I'll leave that to you.

As often with these old drives, it's extremely pleasant to use, being so fast.

I suppose it adds one to your list @funkera91 :)
 
A new CD player will not give any improvement over the AVR you are using now. Use the money for roomcorrection, new speakers or a subwoofer instead.
I have not had an AVR since 2001 & no TV since 2007. But I have great 2 channel stereo with 2 channel subs (& sometimes quadraphonic without subs). I see no reason to have a TV or an AVR.
 
Still, it is better not to buy a second-hand CD player if it is old and expensive...

For at least two reasons: finding original parts to repair it has become almost impossible for most models 10 years old and more... and the compatible parts purchased in China are not all good, far from it.

And when we find new authentic ones or refurbished ones, like in this example given above of a Daisy CD Pro 2 mechanical... it is sold for 999 dollars... which is a lot...

All CD players comply with the Red Book until the signal arrives at the DAC input and at the digital output standardized by Philips and Sony, hence the famous anagram Spdif... you must either buy a player new quality and immediately buy one or two tuners, in fact the laser and the plate that supports it, because it really doesn't cost much when it's available so as to be ready for the future... and try when the player reads SACD and CD to get your hands on the disc allowing you to adjust the laser.... or buy a recent or old used model for cheap at all which is functional and stick a DAC behind it... and there you go...

But for example, I have a budget Blu Ray player from Panasonic: it plays CDs perfectly on its digital output (it doesn't have another...), but at three years old and after having read maybe being 100 comics, he can't read a single one without the image skipping...
 
You are also not the thread starter. My post was not meant for you.
But I do want to buy a new CD player.
Which is why I am reading this thread.
And I do not understand what an AVR (which is something that I once again potentially see in my future) has to do with it.
I already have an oPPo 205 UDP & expect to have a 48" Samsung 4K TV by the 1st quarter of next year, so I am interested in what an AVR does have to do with it?
 
Still, it is better not to buy a second-hand CD player if it is old and expensive...

For at least two reasons: finding original parts to repair it has become almost impossible for most models 10 years old and more... and the compatible parts purchased in China are not all good, far from it.

And when we find new authentic ones or refurbished ones, like in this example given above of a Daisy CD Pro 2 mechanical... it is sold for 999 dollars... which is a lot...

All CD players comply with the Red Book until the signal arrives at the DAC input and at the digital output standardized by Philips and Sony, hence the famous anagram Spdif... you must either buy a player new quality and immediately buy one or two tuners, in fact the laser and the plate that supports it, because it really doesn't cost much when it's available so as to be ready for the future... and try when the player reads SACD and CD to get your hands on the disc allowing you to adjust the laser.... or buy a recent or old used model for cheap at all which is functional and stick a DAC behind it... and there you go...

But for example, I have a budget Blu Ray player from Panasonic: it plays CDs perfectly on its digital output (it doesn't have another...), but at three years old and after having read maybe being 100 comics, he can't read a single one without the image skipping...
Thank you for that explanation.
 
I have not had an AVR since 2001 & no TV since 2007. But I have great 2 channel stereo with 2 channel subs (& sometimes quadraphonic without subs). I see no reason to have a TV or an AVR.
How do you get quadraphonic audio from what seems to be 2ch gear?
 
How do you get quadraphonic audio from what seems to be 2ch gear?
By taking 2 of my Apt/Holman Preamps and a couple of my NA 2200's with 4 of my Dahlquist M-905's & doing this:
Quadraphonic Synthesis

With two Holman Preamplifiers, you can synthesis and control four output channels from just two input channels.

Apply all your inputs to the first Holman Preamplifier. Use it for all your tone controls, filters and source and tape selections. Leave its Stereo Mode in Stereo.

Connect the first Holman Preamplifier's MAIN 1 output to one power amplifier and your two front speakers.

Connect the first Holman Preamplifier's MAIN 2 output to any line-level input of the second Holman Preamplifier.

Connect the second Holman Preamplifier's MAIN 1 output to the power amplifier for your two rear speakers.

Rotate the second Holman Preamplifier's stereo mode control to L-R, and start by setting it to about unity gain or a bit less, and keep its tone controls flat. The tone and filter settings of the first Holman Preamplifier are fed automatically to the second Holman Preamplifier.

Set balance on the first preamp. Set front-rear balance on the Volume control of the second preamp.

Leave the power switch of the second preamp ON, and plug its power cord into a switched outlet of the first Holman Preamplifier. Now the power is controlled by the first Holman Preamplifier, too.

And each Pre Amp has a processor loop so I can do many things (I also have filters for subs, 6 NAD 2200's, 2 NAD 2100's, 2 turntables (a TECHNICS SL-M3 & a DUAL 1229), 2 Reel to Reels, 2 decent cassette decks, a SONY RCD-W500C (compact disk recorder), an oPPo 205 UDP), a NAD 4300 AM/FM tuner (modded for DXing, A SONY AM/FM XDR-S3HD, and a whole bunch other gear, speakers, etc.
 
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By taking 2 of my Apt/Holman Preamps and a couple of my NA 2200's with 4 of my Dahlquist M-905's & doing this:
Quadraphonic Synthesis

With two Holman Preamplifiers, you can synthesis and control four output channels from just two input channels.

Apply all your inputs to the first Holman Preamplifier. Use it for all your tone controls, filters and source and tape selections. Leave its Stereo Mode in Stereo.

Connect the first Holman Preamplifier's MAIN 1 output to one power amplifier and your two front speakers.

Connect the first Holman Preamplifier's MAIN 2 output to any line-level input of the second Holman Preamplifier.

Connect the second Holman Preamplifier's MAIN 1 output to the power amplifier for your two rear speakers.

Rotate the second Holman Preamplifier's stereo mode control to L-R, and start by setting it to about unity gain or a bit less, and keep its tone controls flat. The tone and filter settings of the first Holman Preamplifier are fed automatically to the second Holman Preamplifier.

Set balance on the first preamp. Set front-rear balance on the Volume control of the second preamp.

Leave the power switch of the second preamp ON, and plug its power cord into a switched outlet of the first Holman Preamplifier. Now the power is controlled by the first Holman Preamplifier, too.Mu
What an obscure way to achieve that....
 
I'm surprised anyone would want to replace or complement an Oppo 205 for any type of disc playback. Maybe you'd better say more about the display requirement to point towards the solution you need.
1. I do want to use the oPPo when I get a monitor or TV again (something that I haven't had since 2007). Therefore, I do not want to wear it out.
2. Ref. 1, I do not currently have a display. (but I expect to get a 48" Samsung 4K in the first 1/4 of 2025).
 
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