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Building a Hybrid Media Room with Dutch & Dutch 8Cs – Advice Needed!

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Hi all,

I've been loving my Dutch & Dutch 8Cs through Roon for years (previously paired with a Matrix Audio Element X before the 8Cs were Roon-ready) in my condo. My family and I recently moved into a house, and I'm planning to turn a windowless upstairs room (21'x15' with 9' ceilings) into a hybrid media room for music and home theater. My wife and two kids love movie nights, but I spend most of my time with the 8Cs listening to music in 2-channel mode. My goal is to balance a dedicated listening room with a family-friendly home theater setup.

The room is currently at the stud stage, and I've had four dedicated 20A circuits installed. I'm running 12-gauge speaker wire, Canare L-4E6S microphone cable, Monoprice balanced cable, and coaxial cable to the left/right mains, surrounds, and surround backs, with 12-gauge wire for four Atmos channels. The AV rack/stand will sit in front of the TV on the floor.

Music is my priority, but I want to do home theater right for the family. My plan is to keep the 8Cs as left/right mains and add GoldenEar Triton One or Two speakers for surrounds and surround backs, with GoldenEar in-ceiling speakers for Atmos. I'm considering a Trinnov Altitude processor to tie it all together and possibly the Amplitude8 amplifier for the surround and Atmos channels, though I’m open to more affordable amp options.

I know many prefer matching speakers across a home theater for tonal consistency, but since I'm prioritizing music, is mixing the 8Cs with GoldenEars a major mistake? Has anyone tried a similar hybrid setup?

For the center channel, I'm stuck. A third 8C would match perfectly but can't be placed horizontally, and I think it’d look awkward vertically with the TV setup (I’d also need a second AV rack, which I’d rather avoid). I’m considering an active Genelec center for its neutrality but am open to other suggestions. Would a phantom center work in a room this size for family movie nights?

Am I overcomplicating things by integrating the 8Cs into a full home theater setup? Any advice on center channel options, amp choices, or making this hybrid room work would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
There may or may not be a smaller D&D 6C at some point, I know nothing about, certainly not allowed to talk about it so who knows.
Keith
 
For the center channel, I'm stuck. A third 8C would match perfectly but can't be placed horizontally, and I think it’d look awkward vertically with the TV setup (I’d also need a second AV rack, which I’d rather avoid). I’m considering an active Genelec center for its neutrality but am open to other suggestions. Would a phantom center work in a room this size for family movie nights?

Am I overcomplicating things by integrating the 8Cs into a full home theater setup? Any advice on center channel options, amp choices, or making this hybrid room work would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
The 8Cs are endgame and should definitely stay (I'm jealous ;)). Since you have a wider seating area there should be a dedicated center channel. My setup is a mix of 3 active and 6 passive speakers, no problem at all. The Trinnov will make all speakers sound coherent, no idea about the Golden Sound speakers though. My (in comparison) tiny surround speakers are already enough for me, listening area is 16'x'13' (in a 24'x 13' room). Will depend on your need how much amp power is really sufficient.
I did what you proposed and got a genelec coaxial center which allows for low placement of the tv and has a good dispersion pattern.

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There may or may not be a smaller D&D 6C at some point, I know nothing about, certainly not allowed to talk about it so who knows.
Keith

Wow this would be incredible. I didn't hear a thing.

Have you ever set these speakers up with a Trinnov?
 
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The 8Cs are endgame and should definitely stay (I'm jealous ;)). Since you have a wider seating area there should be a dedicated center channel. My setup is a mix of 3 active and 6 passive speakers, no problem at all. The Trinnov will make all speakers sound coherent, no idea about the Golden Sound speakers though. My (in comparison) tiny surround speakers are already enough for me, listening area is 16'x'13' (in a 24'x 13' room). Will depend on your need how much amp power is really sufficient.
I did what you proposed and got a genelec coaxial center which allows for low placement of the tv and has a good dispersion pattern.

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I'm glad to hear you like the Genelec center. This was what I came up with originally but wasn't sure if it was the best idea. I also considered a Perlisten center but would if I get an active speaker for the front I can use an 8ch amp and either stick with the amplitude 8 which would certainly cut down on cable clutter. Your set up looks amazing and I bet it sounds great.

Any thoughts on whether I should get one of the Genelecs that is a SAM or just an 8361? Also thought about an 8350 but I have no experience with Genelec at this point.
 
I also considered a Perlisten center but would if I get an active speaker for the front I can use an 8ch amp and either stick with the amplitude 8 which would certainly cut down on cable clutter. Your set up looks amazing and I bet it sounds great.
Thanks :-) Of course, there are alternatives... Perlisten is up there, also Kef (R6, Reference 4 etc.) or Revel for example. Decided solely based on ASR review/measurements, the reasonably compact size and because I didn't want to add a power amp as another piece of equipment to the lowboard. It's just a practical approach. You have a larger, dedicated room so there are more options. Since you plan on installing a Trinnov the "subwoofer-situation" (wave forming subwoofer array) is unique. Never listened to such a system and have no idea which configuration is suitable for your room but you should look into it ...

Any thoughts on whether I should get one of the Genelecs that is a SAM or just an 8361? Also thought about an 8350 but I have no experience with Genelec at this point.
Would not recommend their 2-way-designs (8340, 8350 etc.) because the directivity is messed up - likewise with all similar designs - if you place them sideways. You should get one of their coaxial speakers (8341B at least, preferrable 8351B (my choice) or 8361A) because their directivity works both for horizontal AND vertical placement:
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Perfect. I think this is what I will do unless someone else convinces me to do otherwise. I love the 8Cs and hate to get rid of them.

My thoughts on the goldenear full range towers with the subs is to use the subs in the towers in the back of the room with trinnov wave forming. I already own one JL F112v2 and will probably buy a second one for the front of the room. This project started out as some fun of the mill speakers while keeping the 8cs, if I keep going I will need to plan to work longer and avoid retirement a few years.
 
My apologies, I don't have anything to add to this thread and I wanted to say that something like an all Dutch & Dutch 8c home theater is my end game. I look forward to watching this thread if you decide to post about your progress.
 
I used a 8361 as center with my 8C's for a long time; it sounded perfect to me. If you don't plan to run the center full range, an 8351 is just fine. It even could be full range depending how close you sit
 
My apologies, I don't have anything to add to this thread and I wanted to say that something like an all Dutch & Dutch 8c home theater is my end game. I look forward to watching this thread if you decide to post about your progress.

I can try to post some progress pictures. It is a fun project. A full 7.x.4 Dutch and Dutch 8c would be amazing. I would love to use one as the center channel but it messes up the AV cabinet. I could consider two AV cabinets, one on each side of the center channel but it wouldn't look as nice.
 
I used a 8361 as center with my 8C's for a long time; it sounded perfect to me. If you don't plan to run the center full range, an 8351 is just fine. It even could be full range depending how close you sit
That is good to hear. I will probably just get the 8361. What do you use now for L/C/R?
 
That is good to hear. I will probably just get the 8361. What do you use now for L/C/R?
I use Kii Three for L/R, but still 8361 for center. Because I'm sure someone will ask, as someone who owns both I feel D&D > Kii for home users
 
I thought I would give an update regarding what we plan to do for finishing the room for those of you following. My contractor is planning for a room inside a room concept here. I plan to use floor joist isolators on the current floor, 2x4s, plywood, mass loaded vinyl, then a dense carpet. For the walls he is going to frame a new wall and ceiling and we plan to install the sound proof cow Isotrax system in the walls/ceiling given it is above the master bedroom. Will plan for standard 5/8" drywall. Quiet rock is difficult to get in my area and the sub isn't wild about it given how heavy each panel is and in needs to go upstairs with multiple turns.
 
First of all - congrats on your exciting journey ahead. I have gone through the same stuff [2CH aficionado, that built HT for family [and now I am MCH/movie fanatic myself] ;-). My family actually spend more time in the room than myself and when we are together we always have great time and this is what counts.

Couple of remarks:

1) Start with overall system design - TV/Projector [my vote is for projector] - size matters, 120-130 in screen or recently available 115in TV;s, trust me. 98on or smth similar does not cut it.
2) Be clear what are your limits re subs - placement, size, etc and this shoudl drive your decision regarding DRC - if you have chance to do Waveforming=Trinnov, this is the best out there now or you can settle for Dirac ART, this gives you Storms, Marantz etc as alternatives, Strive for single digit Hz, it makes a big difference.
3) Once you have this - get good advice on acoustics - this will always be fine line to get it right between MCH and 2CH [I needed 3 iterations to get it right]. Been to couple of combined setups and HT was chaotic mess of sound.
4) Rest is easy - plan for 9.x.4 minimum and if you go for big TV then plan double Center [below and above] - Trinnov can handle this very nicely.
5) do not go cheap on center - it is really THE speaker that you want to have with enough headroom.

Have fun
 
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First of all - congrats on your exciting journey ahead. I have gone through the same stuff [2CH aficionado, that built HT for family [and now I am MCH/movie fanatic myself] ;-). My family actually spend more time in the room than myself and when we are together we always have great time and this is what counts.

Couple of remarks:

1) Start with overall system design - TV/Projector [my vote is for projector] - size matters, 120-130 in screen or recently available 115in TV;s, trust me. 98on or smth similar does not cut it.
2) Be clear what are your limits re subs - placement, size, etc and this shoudl drive your decision regarding DRC - if you have chance to do Waveforming=Trinnov, this is the best out there now or you can settle for Dirac ART, this gives you Storms, Marantz etc as alternatives, Strive for single digit Hz, it makes a big difference.
3) Once you have this - get good advice on acoustics - this will always be fine line to get it right between MCH and 2CH [I needed 3 iterations to get it right]. Been to couple of combined setups and HT was chaotic mess of sound.
4) Rest is easy - plan for 9.x.4 minimum and if you go for big TV then plan double Center [below and above] - Trinnov can handle this very nicely.
5) do not go cheap on center - it is really THE speaker that you want to have with enough headroom.

Have fun

Thanks for all of the advice. I plan to discuss with Matt Poes next week. Unsure if I can afford all of his services but want to see what he offers. I will probably try to buy the Trinnov stuff from him.

I don't think I can do much more than a 100" screen in the room. With the roof line taper it would really crowd out the L/R channels.

I was planning on using Trinnov with wave forming.

Plan is for a single Genelec center for now.
 
I am now going through a similar process … not building new room, but a new system in existing room. Went through similar dilemma as you on center channel. How to make the placement work with panel TV. Easy, I fully scrapped that idea and am going with front projection system and drop down acoustically transparent screen! Use another 8C placed behind screen. Done
 
I am now going through a similar process … not building new room, but a new system in existing room. Went through similar dilemma as you on center channel. How to make the placement work with panel TV. Easy, I fully scrapped that idea and am going with front projection system and drop down acoustically transparent screen! Use another 8C placed behind screen. Done
I just requested a quote on a screen and projector for this reason but I think a Genelec would probably be a very good center channel.
 
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Is there an issue with placing the screen a few feet from the front wall and placing the center channel as well as the center channel behind the screen? I think it would be very difficult to place all of the AV components in the rear or on the sides with the current layout.
 
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