1. WANTED: Happy members who like to discuss audio and other topics related to our interest. Desire to learn and share knowledge of science required as is 20 years of participation in forums (not all true). Come here to have fun, be ready to be teased and not take online life too seriously. We now measure and review equipment for free! Click here for details.

Budget DAC Review: Schiit Modi 2 ($99)

Discussion in 'Audio Reference Library' started by amirm, May 13, 2017.

  1. Sal1950

    Sal1950 Major Contributor The Chicago Crusher

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2016
    Messages:
    2,834
    Likes Received:
    401
    Location:
    Central Fl
    WOW, guess I'm really out of the audiophool loop now-a-days. The Super Best Audio forum, is this to put on a shelf above the What's Best Forum clan?
    What do you need to join the Super Best Audio Friends, besides a blind eye and tin ear? :D
     
  2. Soniclife

    Soniclife Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2017
    Messages:
    101
    Likes Received:
    15
    Location:
    UK
    mindbomb likes this.
  3. watchnerd

    watchnerd Major Contributor Beer Hero

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2016
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    490
    Location:
    Seattle
    Yeah, I noticed that, too. Marvey is basically admitting that USB related issues are common enough that he often gets crappy results without the Wyrd.
     
  4. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    I am going blind looking for that on that page but can't find it. :) Can you cut and paste it here?

    For now, they are really good people, interested in measurements and data. I have been in communication with them for a while now and they just sent me their latest bits which I plan to review.
     
  5. Soniclife

    Soniclife Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2017
    Messages:
    101
    Likes Received:
    15
    Location:
    UK
    Towards the bottom of the page, just above the compatibility section there are 4 links, the first two are of interest. The links go to pdf docs, they are AP test reports, so not easy to repost.
     
  6. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    I saw those but it was just a checklist of pass/fail. Was there more after that?
     
  7. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    Never mind. Looks like Chrome problem in that it only opened a preview of the first page. Will read and report....
     
  8. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    So here is a snippet from their tests of Raspberry Pi vs their USB Bridge:

    Allo Pi vs Rpi.png

    We can see the output becomes much cleaner with their streamer. This again shows how susceptible the Schiit Modi 2 is to USB input.
     
    mindbomb likes this.
  9. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    You haven't seen nothing yet. My exposure to Marvey's posts was searching for reviews and landing on pages with this type of spiderweb chart:

    upload_2017-12-7_10-0-18.png

    It is the worst bastardization of audio measurements I have ever seen that measurements justify any of the above.
     
  10. Soniclife

    Soniclife Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2017
    Messages:
    101
    Likes Received:
    15
    Location:
    UK
    Plankton?

    Edit: On second thoughts I don't want to know.
     
  11. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    He said we were too stupid to figure it out. So we can't really blame him. :D
     
  12. watchnerd

    watchnerd Major Contributor Beer Hero

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2016
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    490
    Location:
    Seattle
    Plankton is like detail but....smaller.
     
    Jinjuku likes this.
  13. Eric Auer

    Eric Auer Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    5
    Well. the upside of Marvey inventing his own science is that it's hard to prove him wrong.

    Eric
     
  14. amirm

    amirm Founder/Admin CFO (Chief Fun Officer) Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    8,931
    Likes Received:
    1,296
    Location:
    Seattle Area
    Tru dat. They also seem to have strange sense of humor as we do here given their missions statement:

    upload_2017-12-7_15-4-16.png

    I was meeting with the CTO of Intel years ago asking them to soften their position on some issue. He told me standing in the middle of the road meant that you get hit by both sides! I learned that lesson in my last endeavor. May they figure it out too.....
     
  15. Blumlein 88

    Blumlein 88 Major Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2016
    Messages:
    2,216
    Likes Received:
    595
    Apparently plankton is like micro-detailing, and a feeling.

    Quoted from here: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/the-audio-101-thread.3214/page-2#post-96131 post #37.

    Plankton has a technical meaning, but more than that, as @shaizada has alluded, it is also a feeling. When music reproduction lacks plankton, we get an unsettled feeling. A feeling of unsatisfactory-ness.

    Also seems to be about the microdetail around macro-events. The idea the plankton around the edges puts things into a natural context. Swimming in plankton. Without the plankton the sound is swimming in nothing which will make it unnatural.

    Now excuse me, as I need to go wash out my brain to get rid of the feeling of thinking about sound this way. Ugh!
     
  16. Thomas savage

    Thomas savage Moderator Moderator The Watchman

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Messages:
    4,618
    Likes Received:
    666
    Location:
    uk, taunton
    I thought plankton was a great meal for lazy whales...

    I find the plight of the humble plankton mirrors my own experience of life, I identify with the poor buggers.

    Say no to terrible audio analogies relating to plankton, they have suffered enough.
     

Share This Page