Budget 2000€ : Streamer, DSP, DAC with Dirac Live & 2 subs, if possible stéréo

[voodooless]

Regarding AVR unfortunately you need much higher end Denon like AVR-X6800H that's 3.7K US$ alone

Why would you need that?

 

[Paul7777x]

Thank you. Amirm is quite negative about this Denon.

The only problem about the Lyngdorf is the amp. Very little power.

Can I like with the Denon bypass and use external amps with the Lyngdorf ?

The 1120 is not feeble at all. It drives my 84dB speakers to higher volume than I’ll ever use.

The speakers are a three way, 48 element crossover, glutinous pair.

And, always bear in mind that most of an amps power is required to drive low frequencies.

With a pair of subs sublimely integrated by Room perfect taking over the heavy lifting, your speakers remaining frequency requirements use a lot less power than you think.

I can’t imagine why anyone would use an AVR for stereo, it’s simply a hugely unnecessary pile of never to be used features.

The 1120 has everything you’ll ever need, is absurdly simple to use and can be set up and forever forgotten about, in 25 minutes.

No learning curve, no messing about with measurements (unless you want to); a simple plug in and play joy.

 

[ZolaIII]

Either way you won't get automatic ELC which is the purpose of hustle of getting 2.2 in the first place.

Why would you need that?

For 4x independent chenel outs for sub's, rest is in line shared only one chenel on multiple outs.
Older (cuple years) Denon's before switching to Dirac in Audyssey 32 had basic ELC suport at least.

 

[Paul7777x]

Thank you. Amirm is quite negative about this Denon.

The only problem about the Lyngdorf is the amp. Very little power.

Can I like with the Denon bypass and use external amps with the Lyngdorf ?

You cannot use the preouts of the 1120 for power amps if you intend to use subwoofers as you do ( but then you wouldn’t need to).

You could however, if you like, buy two subs that allow an input, then have a low passed output to be used for a power amp.

 

[voodooless]

For 4x independent chenel outs for sub's, rest is in line shared only one chenel on multiple outs.

With DLBC the x3800h has also 4 fully independent sub channels. It really isn’t different from x6800h.

 

[Ruediger]

The Denon means
my subs can be amplified when you say it can run in pure preamp mode ?

Active subs in either mode.

Preamp mode means it's internal amps are off vs. other AVR that have pre-outs and leave the amps powered when used.

The Denon is <1000 € new here!

It's actually a pretty powerful amp, you should use it before getting any poweramps.

 

[Talisman]

Either way you won't get automatic ELC which is the purpose of hustle of getting 2.2 in the first place.
For 4x independent chenel outs for sub's, rest is in line shared only one chenel on multiple outs.
Older (cuple years) Denon's before switching to Dirac in Audyssey 32 had basic ELC suport at least.

The 3800 has four independent subwoofer outputs, which is why it supports Dirac Live Art.
I consider ART to be the single element that makes the biggest difference in audio quality out of everything we've mentioned in this thread.

 

[RaymondFromThePyrénéés]

Thank you Paul for coming to rescue

I begin to understand that that the minidsp setup I not so easy, like many said here already.

I fully agree with you about the Denon even if it is perfect, I have a hard time with such a hugh thing.

I never thought about that when using powered subs, that this means the power of the Lyngdorf is for only the mediums and tweeters.

And Lyngdorf just came out with a new powerful model that I could upgrade to in a few years time if I need more power.

My DIY line arrays and my futur open baffle will certainly work. Perhaps not my vintage 87db speakers unless I change the filters, which I intended to do anyway.

So perhaps the Lyndorf is the way now.

 

[RaymondFromThePyrénéés]

The 3800 has four independent subwoofer outputs, which is why it supports Dirac Live Art.
I consider ART to be the single element that makes the biggest difference in audio quality out of everything we've mentioned in this thread.

Hmmmmmmm.......thank you

 

[ZolaIII]

With DLBC the x3800h has also 4 fully independent sub channels. It really isn’t different from x6800h.

Seams you are right (in directional L, R mode).

Subwoofer Layout AVR-X3800H

manuals.denon.com

 

[ZolaIII]

Nothing beats good old PC sound card (especially not for the money). Nor you need full Dirac with it to start with, live variant (basic) will do just fine. JRiver has good ISO 226 2003 implementation and after you set up XO's you can use Dirac Live or any other auto room correction to do the rest of the job but you will find out that's not hard to do even by hand (up to shoulder frequency) after PEQ-ing F room and doing (proper) crossovers (as that's majority of work anyway).

 

[AaronJ]

Keep in mind that if you go the route of the MiniDSP you also need to purchase a mic (UMIK-1 is the standard) which also adds cost. I think the Lyngdorf comes with it? If I was starting from scratch I would definitely go with the Lyngdorf, but I have a MiniDSP Flex which I fit into an existing system. No reason to set a budget and feel like you must spend up to it.

 

[RaymondFromThePyrénéés]

Thank you. The PC, if I can avoid it for now I will. I have the mike and will use it for measurements with REW to test my speakers. Perhaps the Lyngdorf is the best for now and focus on the room and placement of the speakers. There are 3 Lyngdorf on the used market for 1000-1200€

 

[voodooless]

I have the mike and will use it for measurements with REW to test my speakers

You can’t just use any mic. It has to be a calibrated one.

 

[RaymondFromThePyrénéés]

It is a


DAYTON AUDIO UMM-6 USB

Bought from audiophonics

 

[voodooless]

It is a


DAYTON AUDIO UMM-6 USB

Bought from audiophonics

Perfectly fine as long as you use the calibration file:

Support | Microphone Calibration Tool

Dayton Audio’s line of home A/V, loudspeaker design and test & measurement products are compared to similar items costing far more. Your path to great sound.

support.daytonaudio.com

 

[thcdru2k]

My personally if I was building system that is focused on music I would not want a big clunky AVR. I prefer simplicity. Why would I want 11 channel amp and video processing when all I want is 2 speakers and 2 subs for music

 

[ZolaIII]

Keep in mind that if you go the route of the MiniDSP you also need to purchase a mic (UMIK-1 is the standard) which also adds cost. I think the Lyngdorf comes with it? If I was starting from scratch I would definitely go with the Lyngdorf, but I have a MiniDSP Flex which I fit into an existing system. No reason to set a budget and feel like you must spend up to it.

In more expensive MiniDSP lineup UMIK-1 is included, in more basic ones it's not. We advertise UMIK-1 not because it's outstanding but because it has REW software integration and software calibration for it. So you use it as SPL meter which otherwise is recommend to be a good lv stand alone one (no phone app ones won't cut it). To a good measurements microphone (small capsule condenser one) differences if you know the start bias will be quite small to application purpose of room EQ-ing to shoulder and above frequencies at least to range of highs to need some special calibration to it otherwise. If you want to go into the speaker design you will need both a quasy chamber and better more sensitive (mid sized capsule condenser microphone). Still preferably you do measurements with accustic timing reference (at beginning and end of spectrum).

 

[RaymondFromThePyrénéés]

Ultimately a FLEX system with WiiM Pro Plus like this one :

Dirac Live with :
WiiM Pro Plus
→ (TOSLINK/SPDIF out)
→ miniDSP Flex Digital (DSP/Dirac processing, digital through)
→ (TOSLINK/SPDIF out)
→ External DAC of your choice
→ Amplifier

is more powerful for growing and learning.

After reading more on minidsp and from what I understand now,
the difficulties here are the initial set-up,

not the use of the system to play music.

If it will take me a few months to figure it out, I do not mind and I will learn.

Certainly the Lyngdorf or WiiM Ultra is easier but why be on this forum if all one wants is an easy set up and forget it ?

And with Dirac Live it seems easier than figuring out how to do corrections with REW.

So yes, I have to make up my mind. Something with Lyngdorf is attractive but on the same time not because it is a set up and forget it in an hour.

I guess I have been struck by the fever.

 

[RaymondFromThePyrénéés]

From what I understand,
this is a good setup ?

WiiM Pro Plus

→ (TOSLINK/SPDIF out)

→ miniDSP Flex Digital
(DSP/Dirac processing, digital through)

→ (TOSLINK/SPDIF out)

→ RME ADI-2 FS

→ 3E 7A