Buckeye Amps 2ch Integrated Amplifier

[Mort]

Does it matter?

Does it matter if it matters? What kind of question is that?

 

[Julf]

Does it matter if it matters? What kind of question is that?

Just that there is a lot of audiophile old wives tales about analog attenuation supposedly being better than digital.

 

[Sokel]

Just that there is a lot of audiophile old wives tales about analog attenuation supposedly being better than digital.

Not better, safer.

 

[Julf]

Not better, safer.

In what way?

 

[Sokel]

In what way?

Nicely made they are immune to glitches, unlike digital ones.
The horror stories we read are just the tip as only a few brave ones report them.

The rest probably want to keep the reselling value of their gear, specially speakers.
(one of the reasons I never buy used gear)

 

[Julf]

Nicely made they are immune to glitches, unlike digital ones.

If the criteria is "nicely made", then digital ones ate immune to glitches too.

The horror stories we read are just the tip as only a few brave ones report them.

I have lots of horror stories of gear damaged by analog volume controls too. Some because of teenagers, some because of contact issues.

 

[Mort]

If the criteria is "nicely made", then digital ones ate immune to glitches too.


I have lots of horror stories of gear damaged by analog volume controls too. Some because of teenagers, some because of contact issues.

It's a second point of failure, hence safer.

You may not agree, but you are a little too eager to label me an old wife telling tales.

 

[Sokel]

If the criteria is "nicely made", then digital ones ate immune to glitches too.


I have lots of horror stories of gear damaged by analog volume controls too. Some because of teenagers, some because of contact issues.

We're not talking user errors here, these are common to both.
Have a look around at the DX5 II thread and the +20dB (!) jump with their digital controls.
Or others who "forget" their settings after a power cycle, an update, etc.

Want to go bigger? Go to the Microsoft giant and to the famous "brrrrrrrr" at 0dB with just a BSOD.

No point to expand, these are very well known issues hence the sane advices about passive attenuators or physical hard-limiters at digital VC systems by the seasoned members here.

 

[Spkrdctr]

You guys never learn! All I do is say great things about Buckeye all the time. I figure this will get me a free unit sent to me when it comes out. Right? Wait, No? Crap, I thought I figured out a way to get the unit free. Now I will have to scrounge up some money.........

 

[Julf]

We're not talking user errors here, these are common to both.
Have a look around at the DX5 II thread and the +20dB jump with their digital controls.
Or others who "forget" their settings after a power cycle, an update, etc.

Want to go bigger? Go to the Microsoft giant and to the famous "brrrrrrrr" at 0dB with just a BSOD.

No point to expand, these are very well known hence the sane advices about passive attenuators or physical hard-limiters at digital VC systems.

Again, I also mentioned contact issues. They are not user errors. There are good and bad digital controls - just as there are good and bad analog controls. You can't specify "nicely made" for one category and then compare it to the worst examples of the other.

 

[Sokel]

Again, I also mentioned contact issues. They are not user errors. There are good and bad digital controls - just as there are good and bad analog controls. You can't specify "nicely made" for one category and then compare it to the worst examples of the other.

No, I'm talking about both nicely made. Analog nice ones last for decades with zero problems and very tight tolerances.
Digital on the other hand...

Do you like RME? If you do you'll agree that their ingenious, hybrid VC is amongst the best and you'll know at what lengths they have gone to make it immune on the digital side of it.
Did they 100% succeed? Have a look around at their forum, you'll see.

 

[Julf]

No, I'm talking about both nicely made. Analog nice ones last for decades with zero problems and very tight tolerances.

So do digital.

 

[Sokel]

So do digital.

Nope, I just gave you the best example around, which combines the best of both worlds.
But even that can (admittedly very rarely) fail at its digital side.

Buckeye's decision about analog one is wise, and stepped attenuators have zero difference between channels.

 

[Julf]

Nope, I just gave you the best example around, which combines the best of both worlds.
But even that can (admittedly very rarely) fail at its digital side.

We are going around in circles here. Even the best analog controls can also fail.

Buckeye's decision about analog one is wise, and stepped attenuators have zero difference between channels.

If you say so.

 

[Mort]

I wonder how many people would buy it with an analog volume control? If it weren't much more, I'd probably do it. I wouldn't buy a whole separate device for it.

 

[thegeton]

Ahem, not to derail this learned volume control sub-thread, but @Buckeye Amps when will you have estimated pricing?

 

[Buckeye Amps]

Ahem, not to derail this learned volume control sub-thread, but @Buckeye Amps when will you have estimated pricing?

I'll try to have that in the next week or two

 

[Beetbeef]

Spec wise, is the Buckeye Integrate going to be more like the Hypex DIY PreAmplifier + PreDIGin, Nilai500 Stereo stack in a single unit or more like the NAD C399 without a dual set of speaker outputs?

 

[Buckeye Amps]

Ahem, not to derail this learned volume control sub-thread, but @Buckeye Amps when will you have estimated pricing?

Didn't forget about this but a little hard to give pricing at the moment as final cost is still being tacked down now that we are close to quoting parts ordering, etc.

 

[BassThatHertz]

As requested, some pics. The front panel LED lettering are actually white, not sure why they show up blue

On the back, maybe call it OUTPUT instead of OUTPUTS as there's only one output