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Buckeye 3 Channel Purifi Amp Review

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    Votes: 18 6.8%
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Would it make sense to have Amir test another one? Maybe the first one had something defective.
(Don't take this as me sounding harsh or dismissive)

Amir should definitely not be used as a test bench in terms of a possible problem. Since we were able to replicate the distortion on our end/test bench setup, it would not be beneficial to either Amir or myself to send anything to him until it is ready.
 

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(Don't take this as me sounding harsh or dismissive)

Amir should definitely not be used as a test bench in terms of a possible problem. Since we were able to replicate the distortion on our end/test bench setup, it would not be beneficial to either Amir or myself to send anything to him until it is ready.
Ah, I didn’t realize that you replicated the distortion. Makes sense.
 

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Change of subject but related to review.
Question for those who know more than me. I have a Adcom rated at 200 watts (8 ohms) per channel RMS amp driving my old 4 ohm MK 100Bs.
The spec on the Buckeye amp states 225 watts per channel at 8 ohms, but the review states 156 watts at 8 ohms.

Would I be loosing power and/or dynamic range replacing my old Adcom 555II amp with the Buckeye Purifi 1ET400A 2 channel amp?

I don't understand the power rating compared to the review. Thank you in advance....
 

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There is some interpretation to the power ratings and how to define "max power". Typically this is when the distortion level at some high power level increases to some predefined level such as 1 percent. 1 percent is the same as -40dB. When you look at the distortion measurement from the review below (continued):
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... you can see that -40dB is reached for a power level of about 200 W. The distortion starts to climb at the lower power level of 156W but there the distortion level is only circa -87dB or 0.005%. Some amplifers NEVER reach that for any power level, and I have wondered why this is assigned the "max power" level by Amir in other reviews as well.

There is an old GFA-555 II review with good measurements you can compare to here:
There is a lot of good info contained therein. A plot of distortion vs power shows that the distortion level of the Adcom stays pretty low and constant at about 0.0005% at below 1W to about 0.0015% above 1W until turning up at 100W. This was when "new", and this is getting long in the tooth at this point and some component aging has likely occurred. Your amp may be performing much worse than this but you wouldn't know unless there was a major failure somewhere. The ear is just not all that sensitive to distortion.

What the Adcom amplifier (if it is actually performing up to original specs, likely not due to age and some PS cap degradation) offers is some headroom above the max power spec, for brief transients and with elevated distortion. The review lists that a power level of 265W was obtained with 0.68% THD (still not at 1 percent!).

IMHO overall the Buckeye amp's performance will be superior in terms of distortion at pretty much any power level up to about 100W, is brand new, running at spec (minus the current bug that is being worked out), and has a lower noise floor. The GFA-555 II is a very well regarded amp, but at this time you would be getting better performance out of the new Buckeye amp. I do not think you will miss the last 50 Watts or so, that is only 1dB or so difference at 200W and unless you are listening so that your ears bleed you will never reach these power levels except on transients.

It's possible to get the Adcom completely overhauled, with PS caps checked and lots of other components replaced and updated. This is another option you might consider. It's a very good amp when working well and up to spec.

The other option that I have to bring up, and one that might make a much bigger difference overall, is to upgrade those M&K speakers. I auditioned them IIRC in the late 1990s against a pair of Snell K-IIs that I owned and I was shocked how much worse the M&Ks sounded at the time. If you want to upgrade your "sound" you might start there and not with the amplifier. Lots of good commercial speakers under $2k these days. Just my unsolicited 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
 
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Been reading a lot about the purifi amps and have always had my eye on the buckeye 3 channel amp. I currently have a monster power mpa 3250 amp and has been great sounding. Been looking to get a smaller footprint amp. Would I regret going to purifi from a class a/b that has more power?
 

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Been reading a lot about the purifi amps and have always had my eye on the buckeye 3 channel amp. I currently have a monster power mpa 3250 amp and has been great sounding. Been looking to get a smaller footprint amp. Would I regret going to purifi from a class a/b that has more power?
Only you can determine if you would regret it.
I wouldnt and am glad (for many reasons) i did it.
 

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Only you can determine if you would regret it.
I wouldnt and am glad (for many reasons) i did it.
What kind of amp did you have before? And what changes made you not regret it? I had crown xls 2502 before so I like the efficiency but they were noisy.
 

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Change of subject but related to review.
Question for those who know more than me. I have a Adcom rated at 200 watts (8 ohms) per channel RMS amp driving my old 4 ohm MK 100Bs.
The spec on the Buckeye amp states 225 watts per channel at 8 ohms, but the review states 156 watts at 8 ohms.

Would I be loosing power and/or dynamic range replacing my old Adcom 555II amp with the Buckeye Purifi 1ET400A 2 channel amp?

I don't understand the power rating compared to the review. Thank you in advance....
I don't wish to be rude, but if you're going to change the subject start a new thread.
 

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I don't wish to be rude, but if you're going to change the subject start a new thread.
Sorry, maybe I should have wrote new paragraph as my question was related to the Buckeye amp review and power ratings.

and yes it is not always easy to know when to start a new thread so as not to offend someone.
 

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This was not expected and was not an attempt to have a known/flawed product pushed through review.

While we did robust testing during development and prototyping, I cannot account for why this issue was not identified or observed early on. But I do take full responsibility.

As Amir briefly acknowledged, now that we are aware of and able to reproduce the issue on our end, we have been testing furiously to identify the exact cause so we can produce a fix.

Transparency and communication with the community has been one of the "pillars" I've tried to build my business upon. As soon as we identify the exact issue and the appropriate fix, it will be implemented ASAP, including for current customers as needed.
Looking forward to to the 2.0 version!

Too bad the boxes are not better. My amps sit in the open so esthetics are also important to us!
 

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The case doesn’t look very well manufactured. There’s large gaps all along where the top and bottom meet.
The gap is uneven (wider towards the center). However I think it is more likely a variation of material tolerances (corrected, not stamped) : schiit manages it only by having tiny boxes. it also might be an issue isolated to this unit.

And rather than try to bend it back as someone suggested here (hard to do actually and not cause other distortion), in such cases it usually better to epoxy an l or c channel or two to the inside, clamping it in place until dry. That will flatten the curve without risking deformation.

Or enjoy the wonders of industrial Velcro tape. Problem solved.

And can I just say, regardless, the manufacturer’s responses here indicate great service would be forthcoming. Amazing
 
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And uneven (wider towards the center. However It is hard to get stamped sheet metal of that thickness so flat: schiit manages it only by having small boxes and using aluminum. a bolt in the middle would help
Just for clarity, not stamped sheet metal. The cases are aluminum
 

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Just for clarity, not stamped sheet metal. The cases are aluminu
Just for clarity, not stamped sheet metal. The cases are aluminum
I stand corrected and edited my post accordingly. By stamped I meant bent by deformation (not cnc’d, etc).

And again kudos to you for your engagement here. I would have zero qualms about the case issue. I actually was trying to say that it’s not a case (sorry about the pun) of poor manufacturing but likely a fluke and an inherent limitation in tolerances of the metal and forming process itself. Which is even harder to manage at what I guess are small runs.

And using less material for lids is good: lighter unit, better heat transfer likely and better for the environment all around. Money spent where it counts. As is part reduction. So I applaud that.

Though I would pay a couple hundred more for nice giant VU meters like my old luxman m2000. I know pointless.

FYI: I inherited a ayre cd player that has machined aluminum 20mm sides, 15mm front and a top/bottom plates 3.5mm thick. weighs a ton. Looks amazing. And is most wasteful and stupid case design I ever encountered. I’m sure they would claim some bs about vibration. Or resonance or magic string theory. Whatever, it still measures worse than a $100 disc man from the same era. Better off streaming medium bit rate on Spotify. Or using it as the most obscenely absurd transport with the digital out to a cheap topping DAC. Even my cheap AVR DAC is better.
 
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I stand corrected and edited my post accordingly. By stamped I meant bent by deformation (not cnc’d, etc).

And again kudos to you for your engagement here. I would have zero qualms about the case issue. I actually was trying to say that it’s not a case (sorry about the pun) of poor manufacturing but likely a fluke and an inherent limitation in tolerances of the metal and forming process itself. Which is even harder to manage at what I guess are small runs.

And using less material for lids is good: lighter unit, better heat transfer likely and better for the environment all around. Money spent where it counts. As is part reduction. So I applaud that.

Though I would pay a couple hundred more for nice giant VU meters like my old luxman m2000. I know pointless.

FYI: I inherited a ayre cd player that has machined aluminum 20mm sides, 15mm front and a top/bottom plates 3.5mm thick. weighs a ton. Looks amazing. And is most wasteful and stupid case design I ever encountered. I’m sure they would claim some bs about vibration. Or resonance or magic string theory. Whatever, it still measures worse than a $100 disc man from the same era. Better off streaming medium bit rate on Spotify. Or using it as the most obscenely absurd transport with the digital out to an AVR.
That one of the Ayres that simply had a fancier case around an Oppo player? :)
 

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That one of the Ayres that simply had a fancier case around an Oppo player? :)It
Not to hijack thread:but no it was before that model. It’s well built inside at least with balanced outs. It plays sacd, dvd-a, anything really. which is why I keep it. You just have to use the digital out or at least keep a dip switch set to “measure” (a sharp filter I think)rather than “listen” which rolls off the highs like it’s a bad tube preamp and creates high order distortion I can’t hear.

Anyway…I’ve been perusing the shopping pages at Buckeye …
I think they should offer a version of the same models but housed in a solid block of aluminum and charge 15x -30x the price for only $200 extra material costs and put a dip switch on the back that allows you to “listen” to the special inaudible distortion artifacts discovered here, or “measure” with the fix. and big warm VU meters
 
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