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Bryston BP-25 Preamp, 10B-Sub Electronic Crossover, and 3B-ST Amplifier - Measurements and Review

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Here are the results of measurements of a stack of classic Bryston gear from the mid-1990s. A BP-25 preamp, 10B-Sub electronic crossover, and a 3BST power amplifier.
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I bought these three pieces new. The BP-25 preamp has been in various systems over the years, is the basic model without the optional phono preamp or DAC modules, but does include the remote control. The 10B electronic crossover has great performance, but it has no ability to manage in-room response outside of independent control high and low filters. The 3BST amplifier has been in daily use in various systems for most of it's life, except for a few years when I lived overseas. None of the gear has ever been serviced and has worked flawlessly since new. Bryston amps and preamps have a 20 year warranty. They have a reputation for their gear not breaking, and for them fixing it for free when it does.

Let's see if these three also maintained performance over time.

BP-25 Preamp:
Here is the ASR dashboard test for comparison to preamps Amir has reviewed. Using a QuantAsylum QA403, I fed 4 Volts at 1 kHz to the XLR inputs, volume control set to unity gain, and measured the signal at the XLR outputs. The overall performance is great.
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SINAD of Left and Right channels is 104 dB and 103 dB respectively.
Also note, the Left and Right channels are exactly level-matched at this volume setting with the balance control centered. I test the L-R balance below.

Bryston specs THD at 3 Volts to be < 0.0015% (see attached brochure in a following post). Here is the same dashboard as above but at 3 Volts:
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I measure THD well below what Bryston claimed in their literature back in 1996 (~0.0004% vs. 0.0015%). The reason why I measure 'better' distortion can be seen in Bryston's published specs of their test setup in the 'Final Check' test report they shipped with each piece of electronics:
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The QA403 is over an order of magnitude better performance than the 0.001% residual of Bryston's test gear back in 1996. :cool:

Sweeping input and measuring the resulting THD and Noise shows the preamp maintains great performance up to 8 Volts:
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Bryston claims the device can deliver 30V, here are the measurements to 30V:
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I have to attenuate the input signal to my analyzer at this high voltage, but you can see it actually meets Bryston's claim at 30V!

The volume control is excellent above -20dB system attenuation. The Left-Right channel imbalance grows below -20dB, is still acceptable.
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The motorized volume control is smoothly adjustable with the remote. Both holding the volume button, and tapping it provide smooth control. I've never had any surprises with the gain getting set to maximum accidentally.:eek: The volume remote control is aluminum, solid, with durable smooth buttons, made of materials that are resistant to finger oils. It controls the volume, mute, and phase. That's it. :)

The frequency response of the left and right channels are identical, as shown offset by 0.1dB below. At 20kHz it's down only ~0.1dB, almost perfectly flat to 20Hz. It does start rolling off below 5 Hz, I just didn't capture that in the graph.
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The measured frequency response flatness exceeds Bryston's spec.

It has great distortion performance across the audible band, Left and Right channels matched, perhaps the Right channel is slightly worse at high frequencies between 50mV and 500mV output.
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These results are all fantastic, transparent across the audible frequencies. It has Distortion and Noise performance slightly worse than some of the top tested preamps at ASR like a few Hypex and Topping. But it has output that can drive almost any conceivable load, and very flexible I/O that is not present on many modern preamps.

My only gripes: I miss tone controls. Especially a rumble filter since most phono preamps inexplicably do not include a rumble filter. I also would have liked a processor loop, but am happy with the tape loop.

These are small gripes, this is already a usefully flexible preamp, with excellent performance that hasn't significantly degraded over time. I often it used with Bryston's electronic crossover, tested next.

10B-Sub Crossover:
I've used this crossover in several active systems with dual subwoofers, also for two active 3-way systems. I haven't used it for years, it was set aside when I got Linkwitz Phoenix active crossover boards which I modified for my DIY speaker and sub purposes. I wanted the additional filters, and two channels of sub control was no longer enough. Later, I replaced the Phoenix with MiniDSP devices. After dusting the old Bryston crossover off, I was eager to see if it had as good performance as originally claimed.

I measured the high-pass output with the crossover set to 40Hz with 6dB/octave slope. The unit's gain is 5.9 dB, I fed it 2 Volts at 1 kHz. The results don't disappoint, SINAD of 101 dB and 99 dB for the left and right channels respectively is a great result.
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The crossover filters are 6, 12, and 18 dB/octave Butterworth.
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The filters are accurate and precise. For example, both the high- and low-pass for 80 Hz have 3dB-down at 77 Hz. So while the exact crossover point is about 4% low, each filter is aligned and will sum as Butterworth should.
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I plotted distortion vs. frequency, despite the fact the filters can't be defeated and do interfere a bit with the measurement, more so with the low-pass output. I set the high-pass at 40 Hz, and the low-pass at 500 Hz to get them as far out of way. That being said, the unit has less than 0.001% THD from 20Hz-20kHz on either output, more like 0.0005% across most of the range.
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These results are excellent, just slightly worse than the preamp. It's a 100 dB SINAD device with flexible low- and high-pass filters, there is a lot to like about this performance.

3BST Amplifier:
This is possibly my most used component, it's powered lots of speakers, active and passive. I have the more powerful 4BST and 7BST variants, they test the same as this unit, I don't have a dummy load that can handle the power of these, perhaps later.

Here are the 5 Watt dashboard results for the amp:
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This is another great result. 97.5 dB SINAD puts it in the vicinity of the NAD M28 and the Neurochrome Modulus-286.

Here is the THD and Noise vs. Power:
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Left and right channels are matched, each just exceed 150 Watts. Distortion stays below 0.001% from 1 to 150 Watts.

The amp maintains good performance across frequency, here is the left channel at a few frequencies:
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Here is the right channel at 4 Ohms. The 4 Ohm performance sees the amp start to distort at 200 Watts. The clipping indicators start to gently flash at 245 Watts, just a bit below 1% distortion. The left channel tests the same.
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The amp's frequency response is flat. -0.1 dB at 2.5 Hz and 21 kHz.
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I am happy with these results. After almost 30 years, the amp and the rest of the electronics perform nearly as new. Quite frankly, better than I expected.

I'll post some additional documents I scanned with specs in a bit. Thanks for your attention.
 
Here are the specs from Bryston on the preamp and crossover, and the Final Check test report that was shipped with the 3BST amp.

BP-25 specs:
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10B-Sub Electronic Crossover specs:
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3BST Final Check test report (note measurement residual):
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Preamp, crossover, and amplifier with the remote and outboard power supply:
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The remote has no rubbery coatings that tend to emulsify over time. The remote, and it's buttons, feels and operates as-new. :D
The only significant wear (aside from scratches from my handling of the gear) is the lettering on the preamp's external power supply has worn near the sliding on/off switch.
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Back side of the three units:
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Also note that Stereophile measured the 10B in 1994 and the 3BST in 1996.
 
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Does the Minidsp sound better than the 10B-Sub Electronic Crossover?
The 10B and the MiniDSP both have fantastic performance. Both have inaudible distortion and noise.

However, for the application as a crossover, the MiniDSP is far superior. Well-executed DSP like the MiniDSP for speaker and room correction make the 10B too much of a compromise in this era. After all the 10B-Sub only has a pair of Butterworth filters, and only at a few frequencies, nothing else. It does a technically great job of implementing those crossover filters, nobody is going to hear a difference between the same Butterworth filter implemented with either unit, but 10B lacks the ability to do all of the additional room and speaker correction that modern DSP performs.
 
Thank you!
I have the 3BNRB and always wondered about it. Easily my favorite 'vintage' amp, though I'm not actually using it at the moment.
I also upgraded to MiniDSP for biamp crossovers and room correction and have been stunned at the improvement (over less well measured devices like the Venu360). I'm using REW xovers/PEQs I developed years ago, but will enable Dirac soon to compare.
 
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Thank you!
I have the 3BNRB and always wondered about it. Easily my favorite 'vintage' amp, though I'm not actually using it at the moment.
I also upgraded to MiniDSP for biamp crossovers and room correction and have been stunned at the improvement (over less well measured devices like the Venu360). I'm using REW xovers/PEQs I developed years ago, but will enable Dirac soon to compare.
I had a 3B NRB that I sold to a friend. He still uses it to this day with a pair of NHT 3.3.

The MiniDSP gear makes my 10B crossover sadly obsolete.
 
Nice to see some Bryston attention on the forum. My jaw dropped when I saw three Bryston reviews lined up today :p I have the B60 on my desk. I'm never selling this thing, yet I would like a balanced amp one of these days just to hear a Class D and rid of the noise.
 

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Nice to see some Bryston attention on the forum. My jaw dropped when I saw three Bryston reviews lined up today :p I have the B60 on my desk. I'm never selling this thing, yet I would like a balanced amp one of these days just to hear a Class D.
I compared the noise floor of this Bryston to some other amps, including a couple high-performance Class D amps. I used a compression driver, I can hear the difference in noise between amps if I put my ear really close. The Bryston is excellent, but it can be heard with my ear sufficiently close to the CD lens.
I can even hear the tone of the distortion sounds different between each of the other amps. The Class D are considerably lower noise. Adding a capacitor, or padding the driver reduces this to negligible. Granted this is a corner case for many, but is one of the few areas where amps can be distinguished from each other. Otherwise, the Class D and the Bryston sound great and are indistinguishable.
 
I compared the noise floor of this Bryston to some other amps, including a couple high-performance Class D amps. I used a compression driver, I can hear the difference in noise between amps if I put my ear really close. The Bryston is excellent, but it can be heard with my ear sufficiently close to the CD lens.
I can even hear the tone of the distortion sounds different between each of the other amps. The Class D are considerably lower noise. Adding a capacitor, or padding the driver reduces this to negligible. Granted this is a corner case for many, but is one of the few areas where amps can be distinguished from each other. Otherwise, the Class D and the Bryston sound great and are indistinguishable.

Ohhhh that's good to know! Not to mention too, I want to get around unbalanced electrical issues. The Topping PA5 II (or Plus) is a possibility. I know it was recommended here, but the review did leave some things to be desired. Maybe you have a recommendation for Class D?

Btw, does your Bryston have any low (very low) hum or buzz? I started to notice some in mine in the last few months, around the time I bought new speakers, which are 4 ohm (the Philharmonic Audio Ceramic Mini). We're talking the kind of noise you can't hear during the day, no vent or a/c can be running. the room has to be quite silent. It might even be normal across all amplifiers. Thanks!
 
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Bryston has always seemed a stand-out among high end audio manufacturers producing solidly engineered and well measuring components.

Martin
 
Sweeping input and measuring the resulting THD and Noise shows the preamp maintains great performance up to 8 Volts:
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Bryston claims the device can deliver 30V, here are the measurements to 30V:
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I have to attenuate the input signal to my analyzer at this high voltage, but you can see it actually meets Bryston's claim at 30V!

Shouldn't the first graph be a subset of the second? Why are they different below 7V?
 
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Shouldn't the first graph be a subset of the second? Why are they different below 7V?
My analyzer can only handle 8 Volts without either engaging the internal attenuator, or using an external divider.
The difference you see between the two graphs is the internal attenuator so I could measure above 8 Volts.
Sorry I didn't make that clear. Tell me if I am still not making sense!
 
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