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Bryston 7BST 600 Watt Monoblock Review

Well, the Benchmark doesn't have a 20 year warranty, but frankly, if Benchmark charged $10k instead of $3,500; I am 100% certain, they too can offer a 20 year warranty as well.

But from the power department, yeah, they are lacking for sure. However, for most uses cases, 100w/ch into 8 ohms is sufficient.
For 2,2 channel stereo: (passive ported 12' 94 Db @ 1 watt subs [tuned to 29 Hz] with their own 1000 watt @ 4 ohm amps). Not at all true with todays inefficient speakers, living in a 2 bedroom, stand alone home of more than 1700 square feet on 3/4 an acre.
With 90 Db @ 1 watt speakers, maybe.
1 of my set of speakers are 94 Db (no known +-Db) 80 Hz-18K Hz. 80 watts RMS a channel will work well (in a bedroom).
Another set is 82 Db +-2 Db 26 Hz-20 KHz. They laugh at 100 wats RMS a channel. And it's hard to hear them laughing because it's so quiet.
 
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PMC are expensive and don t measure well...
You have many other speakers that are really better for half of the price....


Have the large BB5 and subs ever been properly tested? These tri-amped active are what some stuidios use to this day.
 
The good news is, if the Purifi or Hypex craps out and if they are still in production, you can easily just swap it out.

I would love to have an amp that can last 30+ years, because there is a satisfaction to longevity and legacy. But the truth is, after 20 years, so much will have changed, unless there is value to brand history (of the likes of McIntosh), I'm ok with getting a new amp.
My prosumer power amps of choice are fifty years old and still 'respectable' if not state of the art today (they really were back then). What really dates them today is that they apparently go into limiting/protection if the load dips below 4 ohms.
 
Have the large BB5 and subs ever been properly tested? These tri-amped active are what some stuidios use to this day.
Exactly my question earlier in this thread... Thus far apparently nobody has, or they're sitting on the results.
The moment I heard those BB5's: jaw drop (for actual real). No mic drop, fortunately, because I was handling a Neumann U67.
I swear I could hear from the bathroom on the other side of the corridor from the control room: those were NOT just another pair of Genelecs :)
 
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Uhm, there's quite a bit of mains noise and harmonic content here. For an amplifier in this price range, I would expect much better performance. Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve come across mains noise and interference issues in Bryston amps.

Back in the late '90s, I was called in to troubleshoot a hum problem in a sound reinforcement setup. We needed to send audio to a remote location away from the stage, and used an aux output from the FOH mixer to feed a Bryston amp via about 50 meters of cable. The amp was humming and buzzing noticeably, and also picked up interference from stage lighting and even walkie-talkies. The rest of the PA system was clean — no hum, no RF issues.

After digging into it, I found two fairly serious design problems:
  1. Pin 1 on the balanced input was connected to signal ground instead of chassis ground.
    This allowed ground noise to enter the input stage directly. Sure, AES48 wasn’t published until 2005, but proper XLR grounding (i.e., tying Pin 1 to chassis) was already common practice by then.
  2. The balanced line receiver wasn’t actually balanced.
    It used the typical op-amp + 4 resistors configuration, but with mismatched resistor values: the non-inverting input had 5kΩ resistors, while the inverting input used two 5kΩ resistors in series, totaling 10kΩ. This unbalanced configuration seriously compromises common-mode rejection — a critical factor in professional audio environments.
Since the amp was new and I didn’t want to modify it internally, I worked around the problem by:
  • Installing an audio input transformer near the amp.
  • Connecting only pins 2 and 3 of the XLR (leaving pin 1 floating).
  • Tying the cable shield to the amplifier chassis instead.
That completely eliminated the hum and interference.

I don’t know whether the 7B ST still has these design issues — hopefully Bryston has addressed them by now. But I still find it surprising that such a well-regarded manufacturer would release an amp with flaws like these in the first place.
 
My prosumer power amps of choice are fifty years old and still 'respectable' if not state of the art today (they really were back then). What really dates them today is that they apparently go into limiting/protection if the load dips below 4 ohms.
I wasn't necessarily referring to sonic performance (although, an amp like the caliber of Benchmark, was only in recent memory).

I was referring to things like IEC inlets, modern advances in SMSP.
 
For 2,2 channel stereo: (passive ported 12' 94 Db @ 1 watt subs [tuned to 29 Hz] with their own 1000 watt @ 4 ohm amps). Not at all true with todays inefficient speakers, living in a 2 bedroom, stand alone home of more than 1700 square feet on 3/4 an acre.
With 90 Db @ 1 watt speakers, maybe.
1 of my set of speakers are 94 Db (no known +-Db) 80 Hz-18K Hz. 80 watts RMS a channel will work well (in a bedroom).
Another set is 82 Db +-2 Db 26 Hz-20 KHz. They laugh at 100 wats RMS a channel. And it's hard to hear them laughing because it's so quiet.
Coincidentally, this debate of how much power is enough came up on another thread for me.

The entire home may 1,700 sqft, but the home is not one open space though.

You have to consider the volume of the listening space and at what SPL do you listen to.

I have a 87.5dB anechoic sensitivity speaker, in a small living room that is open to the rest of the first floor. My Yamaha A-S2200 rated at 90w/ch into 8 ohms, at about 6/7ft away, is plenty for my needs, at about mid-70dB on average.

Is it foreseeable that 100w/ch isn't enough? Yes, but I personally don't see it often.
 
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Uhm, there's quite a bit of mains noise and harmonic content here. For an amplifier in this price range, I would expect much better performance. Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time I’ve come across mains noise and interference issues in Bryston amps.

Back in the late '90s, I was called in to troubleshoot a hum problem in a sound reinforcement setup. We needed to send audio to a remote location away from the stage, and used an aux output from the FOH mixer to feed a Bryston amp via about 50 meters of cable. The amp was humming and buzzing noticeably, and also picked up interference from stage lighting and even walkie-talkies. The rest of the PA system was clean — no hum, no RF issues.

After digging into it, I found two fairly serious design problems:
  1. Pin 1 on the balanced input was connected to signal ground instead of chassis ground.
    This allowed ground noise to enter the input stage directly. Sure, AES48 wasn’t published until 2005, but proper XLR grounding (i.e., tying Pin 1 to chassis) was already common practice by then.
  2. The balanced line receiver wasn’t actually balanced.
    It used the typical op-amp + 4 resistors configuration, but with mismatched resistor values: the non-inverting input had 5kΩ resistors, while the inverting input used two 5kΩ resistors in series, totaling 10kΩ. This unbalanced configuration seriously compromises common-mode rejection — a critical factor in professional audio environments.
Since the amp was new and I didn’t want to modify it internally, I worked around the problem by:
  • Installing an audio input transformer near the amp.
  • Connecting only pins 2 and 3 of the XLR (leaving pin 1 floating).
  • Tying the cable shield to the amplifier chassis instead.
That completely eliminated the hum and interference.

I don’t know whether the 7B ST still has these design issues — hopefully Bryston has addressed them by now. But I still find it surprising that such a well-regarded manufacturer would release an amp with flaws like these in the first place.
I can confirm everything you said about the amp. I wonder if you could have left pin 1 floating provided it was a twisted pair cable and solved the problem. Does equalizing the input impedance on each leg of a differential amp optimize the cmrr? I'm assuming in this case you are talking about an installation you were familiar with and not something installers run across all the time and deal with professionally.
 
I don’t think the G.A.S. and Sumo logos are cartoonish. Just the Bryston logo.
I figured out why I have found the Bryston logo to be cartoony for decades—the puffy letters scream “Ziggy” to me!

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My prosumer power amps of choice are fifty years old and still 'respectable' if not state of the art today (they really were back then). What really dates them today is that they apparently go into limiting/protection if the load dips below 4 ohms.
Check out what happened when they put a mid 1980's NAD 2200 (disclaimer: I have 6 2200's & 2 2100's. You may take that for what you think that it is worth) against a 2 ohm load on an AMP DYNO.
It's pretty interesting (it was certainly interesting TO ME how it behaved [or did not behave])
#AmpDyno #AmpTest #NAD
 
Coincidentally, this debate of how much power is enough came up on another thread for me.

The entire home may 1,700 sqft, but the home is not one open space though.

You have to consider the volume of the listening space and at what SPL do you listen to.

I have a 87.5dB anechoic sensitivity speaker, in a small living room that is open to the rest of the first floor. My Yamaha A-S2200 rated at 90w/ch into 8 ohms, at about 6/7ft away, is plenty for my needs, at about mid-70dB on average.

Is it foreseeable that 100w/ch isn't enough? Yes, but I personally don't see it often.
In 1973 is when I discovered that 100 watts a channel was not going to cover anything that I was going to do in audio and here is why:

The Dahlquist DQ10 was the first loudspeaker manufactured by the Dahlquist company, then based in Hauppauge New York. Among the company’s founders were some famous names in audio, such as Jon Dahlquist and Saul Marantz, Irving M. Fried and Werner Eymann.
  • Type: 5-way phased array, open baffle
  • Frequency response: 35 Hz — 27,000 Hz
  • Recommended amplification: 150 to 200 Watts
  • Crossover frequencies: 400, 1000, 6000, 12000 Hz
  • Nominal impedance: 8 Ohms
  • Bass: 1 x 25,4cm (cone)
  • Mid-bass: 1 x 12,7cm (cone)
  • Midrange: 1 x 4,45cm (soft dome)
  • Tweeter: 1 x 1,9cm dome
  • Super Tweeter: 1 x piezoelectric
  • Dimensions: (h) 99cm x (w) 77cm x (d) 33cm
  • Weight: 22,7 kg
  • Years: 1973-1988
The DQ10's design was first exhibited at a New York audio show in 1972.
Dahlquist DQ10

In combination with the speaker stands, the DQ10 looked light and non-technical from the front and slim from the side. It arguably held greater resemblance to a radiator than a loudspeaker, an aspect that made it both stand out as a design element and an understatement in terms of technology. Strangely enough, its appearance fits into a modern household just as well as it did back in the seventies. It is not surprising, therefore, that close to 60,000 pairs of Dahlquist DG10s were sold between 1973 and the end of its production in 1988.

The Dahlquist was rated at 8 Ohms and appeared to be easy to drive, and yet, the phased array design required lots of clean power from the amplifier to sound at its best.

150-200 watts paired with high-current ability went down well with the DQ10. (and 100 watts or less just did not cut it)
Dahlquist DQ10


Although the speaker was positioned relatively low for many seating arrangements, its height became less of an issue when sitting further away from the speakers.

Dahlquist DQ10


Generous distance (please note: GENEROUS DISTANCE) from the speakers was essential to minimize phase differences resulting from the spacious array design.

Since then, I have always skewed to the high side with high current & higher watt amps.

My six mid-1980's NAD 2200's are nominally rated at 100 watts RMS.
Results here indicate otherwise:
It is power measurements where the magic of this amplifier comes to life so let's look at that with 4 ohm load first:

NAD 2200 stereo power amplifier power into 4 ohm audio measurements.png



We can see a kink in distortion when we hit 200 watts as the unit sails past that to produce whopping 337 watts per channel, both driven! Per design characteristics, you can have much more during momentary peaks:

NAD 2200 stereo power amplifier power into 4 ohm Peak and Max audio measurements.png



Wow, we have one kilowatt of power coming out of this amp in short duration!

Switching to 8 ohm we see similar results as 4 ohm:

NAD 2200 stereo power amplifier power into 8 ohm audio measurements.png



Sweeping the power test at 4 ohm with different frequencies shows a well-behaved amplifier:

NAD 2200 stereo power amplifier THD+N vs Power vs Frequency audio measurements.png



You do loose power in higher frequencies but that is fine since music spectrum has lower energy there anyway.

Due to the long duration of this test, the protection circuit likely backed off the high voltage rail, producing lower output levels.

(SINAD 95 [through the LAB inputs]).
 
Why the Bryston thread?
The dq10 was often paired with a 4b at shows and commended for what was heard. In reality owners got fed up with their speakers blowing up for no apparent reason.
Another audio myth about what products were taken seriously unless you were actually there at the time.
 
The dahlquist dq10s were junk and everyone knew it.
To be fair, unlike electronics, speakers has been steadily improving ever since Toole's research. Modern speakers, as in the last 10-15 years or so, speakers has gotten to it's current peak performance. So having said that, all older speakers are essentially "junk."
 
To be fair, unlike electronics, speakers has been steadily improving ever since Toole's research. Modern speakers, as in the last 10-15 years or so, speakers has gotten to it's current peak performance. So having said that, all older speakers are essentially "junk."
It's the other way around to be fair to those who already build speakers before that, as the research only confirmed the trends with what was already there.
Admittedly a degree in physics from MIT helps (as in Aerial Acoustics for example) or other people with formal studies about it.
 
  1. Pin 1 on the balanced input was connected to signal ground instead of chassis ground.
    This allowed ground noise to enter the input stage directly. Sure, AES48 wasn’t published until 2005, but proper XLR grounding (i.e., tying Pin 1 to chassis) was already common practice by then.
  2. The balanced line receiver wasn’t actually balanced.
    It used the typical op-amp + 4 resistors configuration, but with mismatched resistor values: the non-inverting input had 5kΩ resistors, while the inverting input used two 5kΩ resistors in series, totaling 10kΩ. This unbalanced configuration seriously compromises common-mode rejection — a critical factor in professional audio environments.
1. is a usual issue of most commercial audio amplifiers. Often resulting from the fact that SE and BAL input share the same circuitry (to save costs) and SE input just uses half of the circuitry with 2nd half input shorted to gnd.

2. again, a usual issue and misunderstanding of circuit function by commercial audio designers. They tried to "balance" -IN and +IN SE impedances vs. ground, forgetting how CMR works. They also rely on assumption that only short signal cables (like 2m) are used.
 
1. is a usual issue of most commercial audio amplifiers. Often resulting from the fact that SE and BAL input share the same circuitry (to save costs) and SE input just uses half of the circuitry with 2nd half input shorted to gnd.

2. again, a usual issue and misunderstanding of circuit function by commercial audio designers. They tried to "balance" -IN and +IN SE impedances vs. ground, forgetting how CMR works. They also rely on assumption that only short signal cables (like 2m) are used.
There's a nice paper from TI about it:

 
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Typical Bryston power amp input stage:

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Please note SE/BAL input share the same circuitry. Pin 1 goes to signal ground (not to chassis). And, there is a "chassis isolator", with 4 diodes and 100R//100nF. DOA68 is a quite simple discrete "op-amp". This is enough for home audio, not for PRO systems.
 
to those who already build speakers before that,
Before that as in before Toole's research? Or as in before modern speakers?

Are you referring to DIY? Or manufacturers?

as the research only confirmed the trends with what was already there.
The trends that was already there before who's/what?

Because before Toole's research there was a lot people and manufacturers didn't know.
 
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