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Blind test to try for yourself immediately: $ 78 turntable against $ 500,000 turntable

The B recording is +5dB Bass louder. In the range of 5-8Hz we see System vibration which causes unnecessary loss of amplifier power. Every bezie smartphone sounded better than an LP
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78€ is 0.0156% of 500K,
900 is more than order of magnitude more at 0.18%… this may put the more expensive tt in a disadvantage.

If the moon had a nose, is an interesting question. if we keep the gravity lock, not much will change. But if a bumpy (nosy) moon rotates can influence the needle and the SQ. So we have to be more careful with measurements, maybe doing them at constant times… I’m not a cosmologist, so can not truly explain what will happen if the moon had a nose, but this is just the amateur’s try.
 
hurricane said:
78€ is 0.0156% of 500K,
900 is more than order of magnitude more at 0.18%… this may put the more expensive tt in a disadvantage.

If the moon had a nose, is an interesting question. if we keep the gravity lock, not much will change. But if a bumpy (nosy) moon rotates can influence the needle and the SQ. So we have to be more careful with measurements, maybe doing them at constant times… I’m not a cosmologist, so can not truly explain what will happen if the moon had a nose, but this is just the amateur’s try.
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Hahahaha, didn’t get the irony of your first message - tried to be ironical my self. In one YouTube video about this comparison one guy wrote something like „ Well with only $ 500,000 the AR will be hard to beat. The comparison is totally unfair for the $ 500.000 Turntable“. He was right!
 
I think Turntable B sounded way better than Turntable A.

Where do I find the answer which one was which?

EDIT: Watched a video that confirmed which Turntable was A and B in the test. :)
 
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Well, later in the thread Fremer shows up and claims the recordings were actually made from two different records. https://www.avsforum.com/posts/61482504/

So I am not sure this test proves anything. I thought I heard a difference in the tambourine sound, it seemed less saturated on A so I voted for it. But if it's two different masterings of the song, that would tend to overwhelm the difference in the equipment.
 
YouTube videos are (a) quite compressed (b) easy to edit and fake. we. live in a terrible that turns us into sceptics.
 
kemmler3D said:
Well, later in the thread Fremer shows up and claims the recordings were actually made from two different records. https://www.avsforum.com/posts/61482504/

So I am not sure this test proves anything. I thought I heard a difference in the tambourine sound, it seemed less saturated on A so I voted for it. But if it's two different masterings of the song, that would tend to overwhelm the difference in the equipment.
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I noticed that mistake too, and besides that, the whole recording chain was different.

All outside factors should be eliminated and only the test objects which are the two turntables should change, so a test like this must be done at the same place with the same recording gear.
 
Interesting but no thanks on bothering with the test. $500k tt, lol. I thought hard back in the early 70s about getting the AR table but went with a Dual instead for convenience :)
 
goat76 said:
I noticed that mistake too, and besides that, the whole recording chain was different.

All outside factors should be eliminated and only the test objects which are the two turntables should change, so a test like this must be done at the same place with the same recording gear.
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Honestly, if they used the same record I'd at least entertain the idea the test was valid, even with different recording gear, but nothing was the same except for the song selection. If I learned anything from this test, it's just which version of the album I would buy.

Maybe the real lesson of this test is that sound quality depends more on the record than anything else. Something we don't really control, and so like to avoid thinking about...
 
kemmler3D said:
Honestly, if they used the same record I'd at least entertain the idea the test was valid, even with different recording gear, but nothing was the same except for the song selection. If I learned anything from this test, it's just which version of the album I would buy.

Maybe the real lesson of this test is that sound quality depends more on the record than anything else. Something we don't really control, and so like to avoid thinking about...
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The lesson for me is intelligence tops money.
 
For my aging ears the TechDAS Air Force Zero is the more revealing TT, in both good (spacial resolution - I hear the reverb better; 's' sounds cleaner) and bad (klicks) aspects. Maybe my ears are not that bad :).

Still, the difference in sound is astonishingly small.
 
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kemmler3D said:
Well, later in the thread Fremer shows up and claims the recordings were actually made from two different records. https://www.avsforum.com/posts/61482504/
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I think this explains the difference in klicks I heard on the TechDAS Air Force Zero.
kemmler3D said:
So I am not sure this test proves anything. I thought I heard a difference in the tambourine sound, it seemed less saturated on A so I voted for it. But if it's two different masterings of the song, that would tend to overwhelm the difference in the equipment.
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Yep.
 
I also had an AR as my first turntable circa 1967, with a Shure M44. By the 1990s, I was still using it -- one motor and a half dozen belts later -- with a Shure V-15 Type II.
 
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