Bigger subwoofer

[gasolin75]

System audio signature 5 + wiim amp pro and a audio pro addon subwoofer 8" 150 watt and down to 35hz

Adjusted with the wiim roomfiit (room correction) sub is much louder,i hear bass i didn't do the same way when i had a yamaha amp, then with no adjustments from my wiim amp pro

If i set volume limit to 100% and play as loud as i can the harman target curve is on some track pushing my sub, which i love (fantastic for the price i payed)
to it's limit, sometimes over where my signature 5's are fine, crossover is 60hz and i find it to be good at 60hz not to high and not to low, my amp only adjust it down to 30hz

what i want if i wanna have volume limited to 100% not 85 or 90% and then when i turn the volume up to 100% (the volume is not limited to 85% it's 100%) and want a cleaner more distortion free bass from my subwoofer, i need just a little higher limit

8" 150 watt and 35hz it sounds like it's got it, im thinking of 10" 200 watt and down to 30hz (or better) is what i would aim for, that is the extra oomph power i think i need with voulme and limit at 100%

Used i payed less than 60 euros for my subwoofer and i think max 100 euros if i can find one

What are my options ?

It's not like it has to be a crappy subwoofer just because i set a limit to 100 euros, it's just what some subs cost when they are used and cost 300-500 euros when they where new

krk s8g4 112.8 db and down to 34.5hz is under 300 euros new, the 10" version is 117.2 db and 30 hz is under 400 euros new,ADAM Audio T10S is new 400 euros 28hz not to mention active pa subwoofers 18" 500 watt and almost 40kg from behringer is 309 euros, Behringer SAT 1008 Suba new 209 euros down to 30hz 110db, amp peaks at 600 watt
https://www.thomann.dk/adam_t10s.htm?type=category

 

[Chromatischism]

You need at least a 12" driver to competently put out SPL at 30 Hz, but your budget makes that impossible.

The KRK sub you linked probably hits that stated SPL at 60-80 Hz, so ignore that figure. At the stated 34.5 Hz it is likely down -10 dB.

 

[gasolin75]

You need at least a 12" driver to competently put out SPL at 30 Hz, but your budget makes that impossible.

Rated down to 30hz

If the subwoofer has more power than my current subwoofer it will still play loud but will sound cleaner

I think many 10" sub can go down to 30hz (rated) and 200watt or more it should provide the ekstra power at max volume so the subwoofer don't distort

unless i do some crazy shit like play this song at max volume + harman target curve it should be fine with 200 watt and 10"

 

[kemmler3D]

Rated down to 30hz

If the subwoofer has more power than my current subwoofer it will still play loud but will sound cleaner

I think many 10" sub can go down to 30hz (rated) and 200watt or more it should provide the ekstra power at max volume so the subwoofer don't distort

unless i do some crazy shit like play this song at max volume + harman target curve it should be fine with 200 watt and 10"

A lot of subs are "rated" for a certain frequency that they can only technically play a tiny bit. You're asking for "100%" and for that I agree you should be looking at 12" or larger.

Search for the subwoofer comparison sheet by @sweetchaos , it has test results for 100s of subs, showing what they actually do, not what they are "rated" for. That rating is really just marketing in many cases, especially for cheap subs. You will be looking for a sub that can do at minimum 85dB at 30hz and ideally higher.

I used that sheet when shopping for subs and found out the BIC F12 has okay performance and it's pretty cheap. I was able to find 2 for a total of $250 used in my area.

 

[gasolin75]

100% volume from my amp (not limited) not 100% from my subwoofer, so when my amp plays 100% with one extreme song my subwoofer would have a little higher limit, since in the most extreme situations it can distort a little, even when my main speakers are fine.

My main speaker at 100% volume are fairly clean, even with bass heavy music, it just can happen that my subwoofer isn't 100% clean do to a high load, rated down to 35hz is still okay, i just think i need and want a 10" + min 200 watt for a sub to play cleaner at 100% volume from my amp and how loud my main speakers can play

Adjusting the frequency for a flatter sound might limit the max spl but you get a flatter frequency responce and not a small area where it can play above loud

wiim amp pro room fit can adjust bass in a way so it's got alot of output under 50hz (if music allows it,has it), it's more to get a an idea for a sub that has a little more power so it's cleaner at 100% volume from my amp (which isn't the same as the subwoofer is playing 100% when the amp does) and not to just get a 12" subwoofer with 500 watt or a super loud pa sub

 

[levimax]

Subwoofer marketing specs tend to be misleading and there is more to it than just SPL and Frequency. Distortion (which approaches 100% in some cases ) most importantly and group delay and compression also need to be considered. Unfortunately LF reproduction is physically/ mechanically difficult and every octave you go down it becomes exponentially more difficult and expensive. To get some perspective you might want to read through and understand this review of 10 subwoofers which goes beyond marketing specs and shows some real differences between subs that have similar specs. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/.../i-measured-10-subwoofers.49042/#post-1756729 Thinking about subs like this gives a better idea of what you will actually hear in your room.

 

[Chromatischism]

I think many 10" sub can go down to 30hz (rated) and 200watt or more it should provide the ekstra power at max volume so the subwoofer don't distort

They will be -6 or -10 dB at 30 Hz, that is what that means.

 

[gasolin75]

My amp makes it flatter (peq), down to 30-35 hz is fine from the subwoofer test

I just wanna have a little higher limit when playing loud (less distortion do to not hitting a limit in the most extreme songs when playing loud)

 

[levimax]

My amp makes it flatter (peq), down to 30-35 hz is fine from the subwoofer test

I just wanna have a little higher limit when playing loud (less distortion do to not hitting a limit in the most extreme songs when playing loud)

Subs less than 12" are in general pushed to their LF limits with large bass boost to meet marketing specs. Trying to boost them even more at 30 Hz is just going to make them distort more. At some point pushing a small sub hard at LF starts to sound worse that rolling off the bass. At 30 Hz the threshold of hearing is ~60 dB, 90 dB does not sound very loud. To get meaningful (output you can actually hear when the music is playing loud) at 30 Hz output you need a lot of SPLS and a large driver and lots of power. You may not really need this as most music doesn't have content this low, but you asked the question and got good answers.

 

[gasolin75]

I need some suggestions

 

[Chromatischism]

My amp makes it flatter (peq), down to 30-35 hz is fine from the subwoofer test

I just wanna have a little higher limit when playing loud (less distortion do to not hitting a limit in the most extreme songs when playing loud)

Yeah, and it's more than just distortion, you actually reduce headroom--the sub will actually max out sooner. So like you say, looking for a higher limit, look at 12-in subs. The RSL Speedwoofer 12S is often recommended as the minimum subwoofer people should be looking at. Unfortunately prices have significantly increased in the last few years. So much so that you can get an HSU VTF-2 MK5 for less.

 

[gasolin75]

I do have space for a 10 " im not shure about a 12"

I don't need anything crazy.... just a step up on what i have, since i don't adjust it other than the already made target curves (3) made aut with a mic i don't need anything super loud The amp does a great job playing loud with no distortion according to asr it mit have a limiter

Just to have it play up to 100% + having the sub follow all the way up without distorting, without needing more power (i would hate that with floorstand speakers that can't keep up in the bass, when the amp don't distort as well and the highs and mids not distorting)

No distorting as in i don't need all of the power the sub has at 100% volume from my amp (100% is just shy of party level)

I don't mind looking for a sub and waiting 1-2 month but should be able to finde a sub for the money, if my sub would be in a 10" version it might cost around 100 euros used.

Mabye a bk sub if i can find a used https://www.bkelec.com/hifi/sub_woofers.htm

max spl depends on how much the recordings have im listening to, not only how room fit adjusts the bass and which target curves i use

 

[DanielT]

I need some suggestions

Given your budget, used. I bought two of these a few years ago for a total of $150. Goes down to 23 Hz f3 (measured). Works well.

Yamaha YST-SW300 Active Subwoofer System Manual | HiFi Engine

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Downside, generally, around almost thirty years old. Can break at any time, or they last several more years.
A little hum from their amplifier, which is not heard when I play music. I can live with that:

...and want a cleaner more distortion free bass from my subwoofer, i need just a little higher limit. The easiest solution, given your budget. In that case, since you like the sub you have now, buy another Audio Pro Addon subwoofer 8". Add(on) it to the existing one (sorry for the bad joke).

 

[Chromatischism]

I don't mind looking for a sub and waiting 1-2 month but should be able to finde a sub for the money, if my sub would be in a 10" version it might cost around 100 euros used.

If you're really wanting to get by with the smallest possible budget, here are some ideas.

Try to find a used Infinity R12

Failing that,

Klipsch R-12SW

https://www.adorama.com/used-klipsch-r-12sw-12-400w-all-digital-powered-subwoofer-brushed-black-polymer-veneer/p/auskpr12sw

All of these require EQ to flatten out the hump in the response and integrate them into your room. With EQ, stock linearity is not as important as output.

This would be better:

https://www.adorama.com/used/p/us1961916

 

[NotInYourHead]

Uneven response in the bass region due to room modes can make you want more "clean bass". I'm not sure how Wiim room EQ works, but it could've limited correction to only cutting down peaks and not filling in those dips (for good reasons).
Also, I'm curious about the high-pass settings for your satellites. 60Hz crossover point is a tad low for small speakers with high distortion below midbass. Pushing them to "100%" like you do might have worsen things. Maybe you could set a higher crossover point around 80-90Hz.

 

[Chromatischism]

60 Hz may be already running them nearly full-range. They are advertised as 40 Hz but you know that is probably -10 dB so they've been rolling off since 50-60 Hz.

I'm not saying it's bad to run them that way, but headroom will be limited. These are probably 85 dB speakers before compression, not 95 dB. The crossover will roll them off a little faster by adding an additional filter, so it will still net you some headroom.

 

[NotInYourHead]

60 Hz may be already running them nearly full-range. They are advertised as 40 Hz but you know that is probably -10 dB so they've been rolling off since 50-60 Hz.

I'm not saying it's bad to run them that way, but headroom will be limited. These are probably 85 dB speakers before compression, not 95 dB. The crossover will roll them off a little faster by adding an additional filter, so it will still net you some headroom.

HifiNews measured 56Hz at -6db.

 

[kemmler3D]

They will be -6 or -10 dB at 30 Hz, that is what that means.

That's what it's supposed to mean, but in the low end of the market if it's not specified it could really mean anything, maybe -30, who can say? Without a dB cited legally they just have to have some output, it doesn't say how much.

 

[PashkaTLT]

I'm not sure I understand the question (it's hard for me to understand the text), but if you want a cheap subwoofer, then you can try finding a used Klipsch 12" subwoofer.
I have Klipsch R-120SW that I bought new for $250 and while it's not the best when it comes to sound quality, it's good for this price, and it can definitely give a lot of bass.
I'm VERY picky when it comes to sound quality, but I'd prefer to have this cheap Klipsch 12" subwoofer than not to have any subwoofer at all. I wouldn't listen to it at all if it was bad.
So I think it's definitely a good option on a very limited budget.

 

[DanielT]

I'm not sure I understand the question (it's hard for me to understand the text), but if you want a cheap subwoofer, then you can try finding a used Klipsch 12" subwoofer.
I have Klipsch R-120SW that I bought new for $250 and while it's not the best when it comes to sound quality, it's good for this price, and it can definitely give a lot of bass.
I'm VERY picky when it comes to sound quality, but I'd prefer to have this cheap Klipsch 12" subwoofer than not to have any subwoofer at all. I wouldn't listen to it at all if it was bad.
So I think it's definitely a good option on a very limited budget.

...Klipsch R-120SW that I bought new for $250....
It may be that it's a lot of subwoofer for little money, but it's still a lot more than the 100 Euro/ $120 that is TS subwoofer budget.

It's impossible to get a new 12 inch subwoofer for $120. You just have to focus on the used market if you want to have a chance. If you're super lucky, you might be able to get an Klipsch R-120SW for $120.

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Edit:
Actually, even used. $120 for a 12 inch subwoofer. With luck, you might be able to get a good used subwoofer that's not too old, but I'm skeptical. The budget needs to be a bigger than that. There's no way around it.