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We need the EU to force tech companies to standardise as they have with the C Type. I am so sick of the different cable types and adaptors everywhere.
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We need the EU to force tech companies to standardise as they have with the C Type. I am so sick of the different cable types and adaptors everywhere.
I'm in USB 2.0 and 3.x for peripherals and hardware encrypted USB data storage. I have not migrated to any C types yet even though I have them on my motherboard at the rear panel.
That seems high because you might have forgotten the square/square root relationship, its not linear and you may be assuming your amp has 29 dB gain that I used in my example?
2X the power amp input (that is the pre out voltage) voltage only gets you 1.414X (square root 2) the power. For 1 V input, 29 dB gain, power amp output will be about 100 W, 0.5 V input will only get you about 50 W if the gain is 29 dB but it will actually be lower because the NC252MP likely has a gain of only 26 dB.
You need almost 0.71 V to get 100 W output into 4 ohms, for gain=29 dB. If your NC252MP's gain is closer to 26 dB, then you will need about 1 V to get 100 W output into 4 ohms, or 50 W into 8 ohms.
This site has all the formula you need:
Decibels to Voltage Gain and Loss convert calculation conversion amplification amplifier electronics - sengpielaudio Sengpiel Berlin
Gain and loss - damping and amplification in dB voltage conversioncalculation amplification amplifier electronics - field parameter - Eberhard Sengpiel sengpielaudio
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Yes, it can.
The only thing I can think of is they're planniing to offer the DLBC upgrade to the X4800H+ but not the X3800H. But who knows, I feel like if they were planning to offer DLBC at all it would've shown up in marketing already. It is a big selling point for anyone paying attention to HT processors/receivers, so leaving out any mention tells me it's probably not coming.
Just Dirac by itself is cool, but not that special. Especially for the $6500 A1H. Dirac WITHOUT bass control makes that one much less competitive.
Just Dirac by itself is cool, but not that special. Especially for the $6500 A1H. Dirac WITHOUT bass control makes that one much less competitive.
That's crazy that Display Port can carry audio. I feel like I've been lied to.
Thunderbolt 4 via USB C seems like it should be on everything since it can do anything.
8K video? Go for it.
Data transfer? Sure.
Wired ethernet? Yep.
Audio? Yes.
Power streaming boxes from your TV or AVR? Let's do it.
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Thunderbolt 4 and HDMI. Thunderbolt can't do anything over a 60Hz refresh rate for 8k (30Gbps). HDMI 2.1 can carry 48Gbps so HDR and higher refresh rates at higher resolution.
Manufacturers won't standardise unless they are forced to (by us through our respective governments).
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I think the time alignment on Dirac makes it special (at least against the usual mid-fi built in systems). Hopefully the rumours about incorporating bass control with the full range live product are accurate.
made in japan is not cheap apparently. (I'm not saying it $800 gap makes sense to majority of customers)The official Denon product pages are now up:
https://www.denon.com/en-us/product/av-receivers/avr-x3800h (you can buy this now, but not the others)
I admit, I'm rather puzzled with what they've done with the X4800H. It has the same amplifier and preout counts as the 3800H, which is the same as before, but they've trickled Auro3D down to the 3800H now, and also removed the front HDMI port from 4800H, which was a nice convenience of the 4000-series for doing external(REW, etc) measurements.
As far as I can tell you're paying $800 USD more for... +20W better amplification and +1 rear HDMI port??? This makes very little sense to me, neither of these things are worth $800.
Can anyone else spot any other significant difference?
big yikes on the new prices.
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Yes it does 8 uncompressed channels just like HDMI, but its not a requirement that it has to have it like HDMI and DisplayPort doesn't have ARC. many Laptops with mini DisplayPort don't carry audio, but full size DisplayPort connections like on GPU's carry audio.
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The price hikes are absurd, the 6700 was priced at $2499 when it came out in 2020.
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suddenly the preowned market seems to be the new electronics store...
As always, pricing is what people will pay. They think people will pay those prices, and tbh, if they end up offering DLBC, I will. If they don't, well, my X4500H still works fine and I'm still waiting for something under $3K with Auro3D, Dirac and DLBC.
4800 up $400 now, glad I got my 4700 when I did.The official Denon product pages are now up:
I'm sure not pleased about them, but absurd?
Like everyone-thing in this world they have to pay the cost of doing business
which continues to skyrocket every day.
I got 2 bricks of Pecorino Romano cheese here right now.
One I bought at Publix for $11.99lb about 2 months ago.
I bought a second, same exact cheese, store, everything, last week for $15.99lb !!!
US Fuel prices alone have doubled since 1-2021
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What about time alignment? I'm not aware of anything Dirac does with time alignment that is special.
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What? Do we live in the Multiverse where we can have the best of both worlds, old prices and latest tech?
AVR-X4800H is basically an AVR-X8500H without DTS-X PRO, 4 fewer channels, less watts, and no XLR, but has 2 additional sub outs and Dirac if you want it later. Tons of 8500 tech flowed deep down the line-up for this launch, including chipsets in the 4800 that meet or exceed those in the 8500. Value that what you will.
Maybe it's the 6700 that's the ugly duckling here. Providing little more than an extra 2 channels over the 4800 to justify it's existence. If someone were thinking they wanted to buy a 6700 right now, but were on the fence if they really needed 13 speakers, the 4800 suddenly looks like a steal.
If any of these products are out of your own personal financial reach, that matters to no one but you, and others like you. Sound United will continue to fill new homes around the globe with their products, and owners everywhere will continue to want to buy whatever new products they create.
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If I look at the prices of the X3700H, X3700H, and X6700H since introduction, they never went down. All of them became more expensive since their introduction.
You may as well go for the 3800 and save even more...
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I am not a professional in this space, an enthusiastic amateur so maybe special will mean something different to each of us.
I use Dirac, YPAO, GLM and Audyssey (but not since 2015). YPAO and Audyssey do nothing relevant for me in terms of time alignment. They both show speaker distance after running the calibration, which I guess is some type of timing assessment but the distances are always wrong, and sometimes comically wrong. They certainly have not given me any type of relevant feedback in terms of any measured response or adjustments.
GLM does time align and that is similar to Dirac (unsure if the approach is similar) but then it is a professional solution.
I think what makes Dirac "special" is that is can be implemented in a mid-price AVR (hopefully soon) and it seems to work very well and it is relatively easy to use.
I also like the graphs Dirac gives you (not special sure, but nice)
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Sorry you've had issues, but the distances are spot on for most people.
That's interesting because when I had Dirac it didn't do delays at all - the user had to do that before running Dirac!
The big price difference for the X4800H is presumably because of the power supply and amp stages.
In the rumors it was said the 4800 features individual amp boards like the X6xxx or X8xxx series with improved power supply.
At this point the 4800 is not listed at the Japanese website and there are no pictures from the inside.
Maybe there will be more news end of next week at Cedia because Sound united is there.
In the rumors it was said the 4800 features individual amp boards like the X6xxx or X8xxx series with improved power supply.
At this point the 4800 is not listed at the Japanese website and there are no pictures from the inside.
Maybe there will be more news end of next week at Cedia because Sound united is there.
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