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To see if they are competent.




That's the kind of silliness that just illustrates what you don't understand.




Do it with proper controls and you'll become an overnight star.

Until then, you don't seem to be engaging in a good faith effort to actually meaningfully engage. Continued insistence on claims with no evidence and ignoring the substance of the responses you are getting will lead you to ban-land.
Sorry still don't get your argument if ALL days sound the same why test them, it will sound the same and by your reasoning if it sounds the same it MUST measure the same, why bother.
 

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I’m going to focus on how you are going about this rather than the substance of your questions, which whether you intend them to or not are bordering on the vexatious.

I have been extremely clear and specific about what I’m saying, yet your responses do not engage with what I am saying at all, but instead focus on developing tangential arguement from semantics rather than substance/produce non sequitur points and falsely summarise what I have said.

This approach is often used by someone who is arguing in bad faith and for whatever reason is using logical fallacy and theatrics to give the illusion on a discussion, and often to convince their own side that ‘they won’ because they were able generate a large amount of words. It’s not uncommon for people to do what you are doing in good faith because they haven’t been taught to think critically. I have no idea what your intentions are of course, however, a persistent refusal to engage with what is being said and the persistent presentation of false dichotomy, straw man and non sequitur argument are often a good sign of a bad faith actor. If that is the case then I expect you to declare victory very soon,

So I say again;:

The scientific consensus in all related matters should lead us to conclude that electronics don’t have a sound if well engineered. The total lack of evidence in the form of controlled tests showing that people can detect even 00s of dbs of difference supports this rather than undermines it. Case closed unless evidence of either a change in the scientific assumptions triggered by a new theory or empirical evidence (from a controlled trial) is produced.

You may wish to notice that I have made specific efforts to ‘iron man’ your argument-ie by spending time checking what you mean etc. This is because. I’m not looking to point score or prove you wrong, but to understand what you arguement is.

So far I am taking your argument to be that you can hear differences between dacs in a feat of hearing that any engineer or scientist would regard as impossible...
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No if all days sound the same why bother testing them, they all sound the same, test over. I'm serious.
The mundane answer to that is that we only know that dacs sound the same because we know how they perform, and under controlled conditions what people can actually discern.

You are right in inferring that we aren’t going to learn that transparent dacs have a sound by testing them though. Mind you, despite the huge proportion of electronics that are shown to be transparent, it is helpful to see that good engineering companies like Chord still sell products that no engineer with self respect would put their name to, and get away with it because their customers don’t expect measurements and assume that chord will do the right thing when no one is looking.

I suppose the broader reason is the same reason we would undertake any area of investigation. For the sake of it, because we can. It’s pure measurebating, but some of us find fun.

Speakers are a different story-there is a lot of over priced crap out there and it’s easy to end up buying it accident, especially with the legion YouTube pundits generating a whole field of pseudo-knowledge optimised to empty peoples wallets.
 
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The mundane answer to that is that we only know that dacs sound the same because we know how they perform, and under controlled conditions what people can actually discern.

You are right in inferring that we aren’t going to learn that transparent dacs have a sound by testing them though. Mind you, despite the huge proportion of electronics that are shown to be transparent, it is helpful to see that good engineering companies like Chord still sell products that no engineer with self respect would put their name to, and get away with it because their customers don’t expect measurements and assume that chord will do the right thing when no one is looking.

I suppose the broader reason is the same reason we would undertake any area of investigation. For the sake of it, because we can. It’s pure measurebating, but some of us find fun.

Speakers are a different story-there is a lot of over priced crap out there and it’s easy to end up buying it accident, especially with the legion YouTube pundits generating a whole field of pseudo-knowledge optimised to empty peoples wallets.
But according to you all days sound the same.
 

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But according to you all days sound the same.
No one is saying that...and that's an example of what I was talking about.

If strawman arguments are all you have, you don't need to keep posting.

A week off this thread to do more reading.
 

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So far I am taking your argument to be that you can hear differences between dacs in a feat of hearing that any engineer or scientist would regard as impossible...
"Sometime a cigar is just a cigar".......I hear a difference.....
 

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"Sometime a cigar is just a cigar".......I hear a difference.....
Let’s have some intellectual honesty here; you perceive a difference that could be attributable to absolutely anything, or not exist at all. It takes controlled conditions to be able to assert anything else.
 
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