Many have been there, myself included
How it behaves to electrical impulses may well not be predictive of how it sounds.
However it is not what technology is used so much as how it is applied. I listened to Raspberry Pi players before buying a microrendu. The difference is more than noticeable.
No it doesn't not by a far margin.
Electrical current does not travel done wires in 1's and 0's. It travels as an approximation of 1's and 0's that is very dependant upon jitter and timing.
Sorry lost your logic if a RaspPi must sound the same as a MicroRendu why does it matter if using USB or Spdif? If 1's are 1's and 0's are 0's in your logic surely transporting them down a wire should make no difference? After all there is wire in components in each of the RaspPI / MR?
These approximations are fully controlled and corrected for in hardware and in firmware and our whole modern civilization relies on this control for billions of its computers to work years after years non stop 24/7 flawlessly and now you are saying that a meager network player can't transfer its digital signal from A to B without errors?? This is one ridiculous statement. It is actually much more absurd than claiming the Earth is flat. After all, very few people actually been in space up until today yet billions of us use computers every day. Go tell your bank that your last CC transaction was due to jitter on their network and then come back to us and post here what will be their response.
Because so many use their PC/Laptop or phone / tablet for streaming, it looks like the choices have dwindled since I looked a while back...
So why does it matter if the data is sent via USB or SPDIF? Of course you are correct for discrete data, where the data can be totally reconstructed when transferred between devices and reproduced exactly as sent. In this case you send a bank account balance of $1000, this converted to an electronic emulation of 0’s and 1’s and sent as a current. To do this is deconstructed and reconstructed. So the reconstructed data is not $999.99 or $1000.01. Great. Jitter or clocking makes no difference unless extremely maladjusted. However in music it is not just the data that matters it is the rate at which the data is processed and reconstructed. If this has jitter or other clocking issues it affects the output. That is why manufacturers of hi fi bother about and why macintosh don’t.
It only matters when DIGITAL signal is being converted to ANALOG one (and vice versa, to slightly lesser extent). You were talking in your post about "approximate" ones and zeroes traveling across the network being affected by jitter. This is not true, there is no issue in transmitting and storing DIGITAL information, unless of course your computer is broken.
So lets see if I can get this, USB and SPDIF make bits sound different because of their differing technology but a RaspPi and a Microrendu must make bits sound the same despite their differing technology.
Exactly, the only thing that matters is the target, i.e., DAC you feed your signal into using USB or S/PDIF and its implementation of these protocols in receiver MCUs, quality of power supply filtering and regulators, etc. These are all important/critical design details. But source of the digital signal does not matter as long as it only transfers digital signal.
But clearly from your own statement the DAC is not the thing that influences the sound of the chain, if that were so it will make no difference how the signal gets to the DAC be it USB or SPDIF. Do you know the difference between a RASPPI and a mR? An mR is a reclocker and galvanic separator it does the very things you say make a difference between a USB and a sprig connector?
If you read around this forum you will see this issue discussed ad infinitum. The entire scientific literature relating to the behaviour of electronics, human hearing and cognitive neuroscience says that you are mistaken.
No it doesn't it goes into great detail about there being no measurable difference that can be heard for file sizes above CD quality. I am not disputing this information. I have not read anywhere that because the measured output of device A is the same as device B that they must therefore sound the same. That has nothing to do with bitrates.If you read around this forum you will see this issue discussed ad infinitum. The entire scientific literature relating to the behaviour of electronics, human hearing and cognitive neuroscience says that you are mistaken.
If we are talking about the performance of the specific device and excluding all factors external to it then that is absolutely what is demonstrated by objective measurement of SINAD, IMD etc. A conclusion based on scientifically robust methods does precisely what you say it doesn’t. I’m taking what you are saying as being in good faith i.e that you genuinely do feel that there are properties of a signal that are both relevant to what can be heard by a human and cannot be measured with current technology or knowledge. What exact property are you suggesting the entire body of knowledge on electrical engineering, sound physics, audiology and cognitive neuroscience is ignorant of?
What it sounds like perhaps?If we are talking about the performance of the specific device and excluding all factors external to it then that is absolutely what is demonstrated by objective measurement of SINAD, IMD etc. A conclusion based on scientifically robust methods does precisely what you say it doesn’t. I’m taking what you are saying as being in good faith i.e that you genuinely do feel that there are properties of a signal that are both relevant to what can be heard by a human and cannot be measured with current technology or knowledge. What exact property are you suggesting the entire body of knowledge on electrical engineering, sound physics, audiology and cognitive neuroscience is ignorant of?
