To have no Timbre, as in, the Timbre of the recreation device, implies perfect replication of the signal, when it comes to re-production, ie speakers, amplifiers, etc
Timbre is not the same as coloration. The latter is FR, timbre is spectral (overtones + fundamental).
Changing the FR will change the timbre of all recorded instruments. That does not mean the gear has a timbre. For that to happen there would have to be a lot of overtones in a specific spectrum to be there.
If I cannot perceive THD does it just not exist?
When it is masked or below audible tresholds it is arguably there, just not audible.
if a listener does not perceive the difference between an aluminum and a brass shell snare, tuned to the same note, does the timbre not change or are they just not able to perceive it?
The listener is not trained to recognize the difference in timbre (spectrum and decay over time)
Added Harmonics, is a change in Timbre!
So when I add 2nd harmonic at -50dB and 3rd at -70dB for all frequencies involved in a recording you say that it is a change in timbre ?
It has everything to do with amplitude.
Besides, an instrument has fundamental and harmonics.
HD has harmonics and IM products which also is quite different despite both having harmonics. So not the same.
So yes FR is also apart of Timbre.
They mean different things but changing the FR can alter
the timbre of recorded instruments but may do so in different ways.
That does not mean amplifiers, DACs have a timbre (or tone).
Speakers and headphones can have coloration and distortion. This is not the same as timbre.
All devices that do not recreate the signal perfectly, have their own Timbre,
Nope, they have distortion (linear and non-linear) which is not the same as timbre.
- Tone color
- Quality of sound
- Character of sound
- Texture of sound
- Sound signature
- Sound quality
- Acoustic quality
- Sonic fingerprint
- Sound property
- Musical color
To me 6:sound quality (nor 2:quality of sound)
1: Tone color = timbre
2: (nor 6 which is the same) is not part of timbre but = fidelity
3: character of sound = timbre
4: texture of sound = timbre
5: sound signature = coloration
7: acoustic quality ... you will have to explain this. The acoustics of a room ?, recording quality ?, instrument quality ?
8: Sonic fingerprint = spectrum analysis that describes multiple aspects of whatever is 'fingerprinted'. Could be an entire recording
9: sound property: can mean a lot of things, it has lots of properties.
10: musical color = frequency response, when a single instrument can also be timbre or overall sound signature of a recording (due to monitors or hearing being incorrect, circle of confusion)
I understand to you view those aspects are all 'timbre'. The fact that these all are 'timbre' to you is another matter entirely.
I used the dictionary to prove him wrong about Timbre
The dictionary and wiki actually confirmed what I said.
To you tonal balance and frequency response = timbre.
They are not the same. If they were a frequency response would be named 'timbre' and it is not. Nor is tonal balance timbre. Both tonal balance and frequency response can change the timbre of recorded instruments. They do not add a timbre.