Kato has thickened mids and a bass rise, and is not accurate for mixing to my ears. Etymotic Er2se and 4sr are much closer to correct. With proper insertion and seal, orchestra and acoustic instruments, drums etc sound realistic. Maybe not fun or whatever, or what the majority wants.....Why people think of Harman as neutral continues to baffle me. I mean Crin stated for personal preference he would have jacked the sub bass of the Dusk 15db. Wtf. What are people hearing?