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Single-ended means 3.5mm headphone out, not per channel.

It could still be combined output power, only measurements would tell.

Yeah you are right, unfortunately it could be 135mW combined.
On another page, it mentions 2 Vrms at 32 ohm, when talking about Vrms it can also be combined channels and a single channel have less Vrms or it doesn't work the same way?
 
On another page, it mentions 2 Vrms at 32 ohm, when talking about Vrms it can also be combined channels and a single channel have less Vrms or it doesn't work the same way?
It does not work the same way.

Vrms is always per channel.
 
So if 2 Vrms at 32 ohm is true it means 135mW is per channel right?
2Vrms per channel would mean 2^2/32=125mW per channel.

half of that would be around 1.5 Vrms
Half of 135->67.5mW per channel at 32Ω would mean sqrt(.0675*32)=1.47Vrms.

1.47Vrms at 32Ω (=67.5mW per channel) is typical for a cs43131 design without additional Opamps (e.g. JCally JM20, MBQuart MB21P):
_b_THD+N vs Output Power at 32Ω __b_(Both channels driven, Right channel measured, 20Hz to 20k...png
 
What about Tempotec Sonata BHD? it is dual CS43131 with 3.5 and 4.4 outputs for only 30€ on Aliexpress, is it as good as other dual CS43131?

Seems really good for the price I think, but no reviews about the non pro model. This is not old BHD with 2.5mm output, this is apparently a new model?
 
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What about Tempotec Sonata BHD? it is dual CS43131 with 3.5 and 4.4 outputs for only 30€ on Aliexpress, is it as good as other dual CS43131?

Seems really good for the price I think, but no reviews about the non pro model. This is not old BHD with 2.5mm output, this is apparently a new model?
Tempotec proved to be reliable so far and the BHD should be as good as other dual CS43131 dongles reviewed here, it seemes even more appealing than the Pro version to me due to less frills and being able to change gain manually instead of messing with firmware reflash, and 16 steps volume is not a concern in my case since i hardly would use them (I don't like at all volume buttons without a display showing at what level it is set)
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At the actual price it's seriously tempting me too, even though I don't really need another dongle for my headphones.
 
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What about Tempotec Sonata BHD? it is dual CS43131 with 3.5 and 4.4 outputs for only 30€ on Aliexpress, is it as good as other dual CS43131?

Seems really good for the price I think, but no reviews about the non pro model. This is not old BHD with 2.5mm output, this is apparently a new model?
Relatively new, they released it first through an unofficial Ali shop around the 11.11 discounts festival last year. I don't know how it compares for price these days but back then I thought it was crazy good because of the clean signal and the huge advertised power of 280 mW @32 ohms. Turns out that was a sum of both channels. That made it nothing-special (vs. my 100 mW much cleaner HiBy FC3) so I canceled my order.
 
Tempotec proved to be reliable so far and the BHD should be as good as other dual CS43131 dongles reviewed here, it seemes even more appealing than the Pro version to me due to less frills and being able to change gain manually instead of messing with firmware reflash, and 16 steps volume is not a concern in my case since i hardly would use them (I don't like at all volume buttons without a display showing at what level it is set)
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At the actual price it's seriously tempting me too, even though I don't really need another dongle for my headphones.

Does a dual CS43131 offer real world improvements over single CS43131? I though there would be more power into 3.5mm output but turns out power is about the same, if you don't use balanced output, is there a benefit?
 
Does a dual CS43131 offer real world improvements over single CS43131? I though there would be more power into 3.5mm output but turns out power is about the same, if you don't use balanced output, is there a benefit?
No benefits with 3.5 out, dual is used for differential 4.4 out giving more power if needed for herder to drive headphones.
 
Turns out that was a sum of both channels. That made it nothing-special (vs. my 100 mW much cleaner HiBy FC3) so I canceled my order.
Yes, it's the same claim of the Pro version and many other dongles, surely misleading if one doesn't know if addtiional opamp are implemented that is the only way a CS43131 dongle can output more than 120mW per channel in differetial mode.
 
Thanks. What about this dac? I saw in another message that you bought this:

Any measurements or info about power at lower ohms?
I returned it after few days since it is seriously flawed in the control system, i found various firmware with different options about volumes buttons and steps but none gave a satisfactory and reliable user experience.
This is my review at aliexpress:

"Ok, it is cheap, but it has serious and potentially dangerous bugs, volume sometimes reset to max and button sometimes change track instead of control volume and are too small to be operated quickly, so you risk your ear damage. on technical side , i measured it and it can only deliver 1,5V, not 2V as advertised. Good side are decent power and no background hiss with sensitive iems. Not satisfied at all."

Don't know about power delivered into low ohms, it uses an ESS dedicated headphone driver (ES9603Q) that seems good but nearly never used in other products and didn't find any reference measurements about it, I was also disappointed measuring it at 1.5 V max out as line level but was a very quick test that I can't guarantee for.
 
I returned it after few days since it is seriously flawed in the control system, i found various firmware with different options about volumes buttons and steps but none gave a satisfactory and reliable user experience.
This is my review at aliexpress:

"Ok, it is cheap, but it has serious and potentially dangerous bugs, volume sometimes reset to max and button sometimes change track instead of control volume and are too small to be operated quickly, so you risk your ear damage. on technical side , i measured it and it can only deliver 1,5V, not 2V as advertised. Good side are decent power and no background hiss with sensitive iems. Not satisfied at all."

Don't know about power delivered into low ohms, it uses an ESS dedicated headphone driver (ES9603Q) that seems good but nearly never used in other products and didn't find any reference measurements about it, I was also disappointed measuring it at 1.5 V max out as line level but was a very quick test that I can't guarantee for.

Figured it wouldn't be that good. It's such a bummer almost all cheaper portable dac/amp max out at around 70mW at 32 ohm with unbalanced output, FiiO KA11 looked like a killer but it is plagued with bugs and issues, had to return mine, but I measured 2.52 vrms at like 40 ohm with a multimeter and a resistor.
 
Figured it wouldn't be that good. It's such a bummer almost all cheaper portable dac/amp max out at around 70mW at 32 ohm with unbalanced output, FiiO KA11 looked like a killer but it is plagued with bugs and issues, had to return mine, but I measured 2.52 vrms at like 40 ohm with a multimeter and a resistor.
Is there a spcific reason you are looking for more power? Chepaer dongles generally doesn't use an additional opamp, the only one is the KA11 but it seems to come at cost of reliablity. Previuos models where the Meizu hifi pro and Ugreen hifi pro, both discontinued, and their opa1622 could give just around 20mW more.
 
Previuos models where the Meizu hifi pro and Ugreen hifi pro, both discontinued, and their opa1622 could give just around 20mW more.
At 32Ω, about 35-40mW more per channel with the addition of an opa1622.

That advantage should grow as the load impedance shrinks.
 
At 32Ω, about 35-40mW more per channel with the addition of an opa1622.

That advantage should grow as the load impedance shrinks.
Well yes, I kept it on the safe side, referring to ~85mW with opamp vs ~65mW no opamp @32 ohms. Just to say that no cheap dongle is going more than 100mW@32 in single ended (excluding the mentioned ka11)
 
I'd just noticed this new iteration of the Hbiy FC3, now with a nice display that shows volume level, they claim 112 mW@32 PER CHANNEL, I don't know much about the ES9281 Pro other than it's a codec so it supports mic input also and integrates usb bridge (so no dedicated driver like asio). Specs are good but the only measurements i remember about this chip are for Fiio KA1 @ l7audiolab that where good but nothing stellar. It proved not going over 60 mW @32 ohm so don't know how this dongle can achieve double, maybe an unmentioned additional opamp (original FC3 claims for 70 mW@32).
Is goes at the moment fr €48, reduced to €42 via coupon and tokens, I'd like to see how it measures but maybe it's worth trying since offer end very soon.

https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005006617792433.html
 
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All this talking about dongles made me hungry and since special sales end tomorrow I finally ordered a Sonata BHD DSD, don't need it but for €34 it can't go wrong and in the end I'm too much an 43131 aficionado. So finally I can use that 4.4mm modular cable i got long ago just in case lol.
 
Really, where BT technology is today, I would just jump to a 5K Qudelix and free the chord. No issues with USB connections. You can also wire it w/USB-B, but, why. It is good enough and actually outstanding. Use it with my Etys for cycling.
 
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