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Best bookshelf speakers for 3D/Holographic imaging

trivium

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Hi Guys,

im looking for a pair of bookshelves that in your opinion offer up great 3 dimensional or holographic imaging, so basically where sounds are placed in front of the speakers, behind the speakers and the sides. Im not just talking about a phantom center channel in the soundstage which i think most speakers that are toed in and setup correctly will produce, the step further is when there are multiple layers to the imaging where chimes in recordings effortlessly sweep across the soundstage, guitar strings are floating in front of you, cymbals extend further than the left and right position of the speakers. This is of course heavily dependent on the recordings. Sometimes if you are really lucky with an awesome recording you can get all these things in one recording which serves to zone out and transport you to another world where you are complete immersed in a meditative state with the music. Instead of just listening to the music, you feel like you surrounded and enveloped by it. I care less about tonal balance and a flat graph and more about the imaging and the emotional impact that provides as mentioned above.

i currently have the Q150s in a 14x15 acoustically treated but shared room in a nearfield setup. I think the Q150's they do these things fairly well but they are a little dark. Im looking for a little more treble energy up top and maybe the next step up in everything else. I do think the midrange is well done especially after i used some EQ to get rid of the midbass bloat which did help with the clarity.

I really like paradigms but i feel that music takes a backseat to their otherwise great synergy in a surround sound setup for movies. I dont blame paradigm, its rare that someone buys speakers to setup in a listening room without a TV. Budget is $1500 CAD. Genres are ~90% instrumental without vocals.

Options i've looked at so far but have not heard mostly due to availability and COVID-19 in Canada.
-KEF LS50
-Focal Chora 806
-Totem Skylight
-Paradigm 15B
-Paradigm 200B
-Monitor audio silver 50
-Monitor audio silver 100
-B & W 606
 
How big is the room and what is the listening distance?
 
How big is the room and what is the listening distance?

The room is 14x15 which is also acoustically treated, its a home gym/yoga room so i only have 6FT of distance between the speakers center to center. That said im currently listening around 6-7ft away measured diagonally to each speaker, i can move it back further as i've been at 8-9 feet before and still had tons of room behind but i found it sounded best out of the Q150's given their width. Moving closer and adjusting the toe in to cross just behind the listening position really helped with imaging and the effects im after, it also allowed a premium listening experience late at night without disturbing others as the speakers dont have to be turned up as much when sitting closer.
 
A few more to add to the potential list

-Dyneaudio
-Sonus Faber

i think so far my top two are KEF LS50 and the Totem Skylight, of course i would have to listen to both. Its hard for me to think that the totem skylights will offer what im after but based on what i read they do, so i guess i shouldn't judge a book by its cover. The totems look like DIY lol, granted a very nice DIY but nevertheless. Its a good think looks are at the bottom of my checklist.
 
Hello,

I assume you like to have an enveloping sound. It is very hard do get in a small room. Have a look at the Pluto design from Linkwitz. With speakers in the middle of the room and a very short listening distance and a wider angle you can achieve enveloping sound in a small room.

With normal speaker and no extreme room treatment you would not get good envelopment.

With additional speakers it is also possible but hard to achieve in a small room.

Best
Thomas
 
Hello,

I assume you like to have an enveloping sound. It is very hard do get in a small room. Have a look at the Pluto design from Linkwitz. With speakers in the middle of the room and a very short listening distance and a wider angle you can achieve enveloping sound in a small room.

With normal speaker and no extreme room treatment you would not get good envelopment.

With additional speakers it is also possible but hard to achieve in a small room.

Best
Thomas
What would you consider extreme room treatment? I have accoustic panels at first and second reflection points aswell as bass traps and a lamb skin rug over the floor. The floor is Carpet tile over Dri-Core subfloor over concrete and accoustic ceiling tile above.

I’ve seen those speakers you mentioned and it might be something I would do down the road, I could imagine they would do what I’m after but I think I’m really after a traditional speaker design as those are a little extreme...at least for now. I suppose this would be a compromise, as I’m looking for the best holographic imaging speakers but in traditional monitor or bookshelf form factor. Thanks for the info though as those definitely have me intrigued, seems something I can whip out for a treat for certain genres on the weekend.
 
Only sound defusers will help. Damping is contra productive. In such a small room you need defusers every where, if you are aiming for listening distances over 1meter.

The approach with you and the speakers in middle of the room will also work better. With such treatment, but it is not necessary to get good envelopment.
 
Only sound defusers will help. Damping is contra productive. In such a small room you need defusers every where, if you are aiming for listening distances over 1meter.

The approach with you and the speakers in middle of the room will also work better. With such treatment, but it is not necessary to get good envelopment.
Is a 14x15ft room considered small? I do have exercise equipment that sort of acts as diffusers lol if that counts. Even with my acoustic treatment which was a massive improvement I would definitely say the room is still lively, more so than the home theatre room with treatment and cloth sofa, but sounds about right as far as reverb time delay goes. I do have some long terms plans of building diffusers though as I’ve done in the rear of the theatre.

Are you insinuating that the imaging im after is a product of the room and placement rather than the speaker itself? I guess im not complaining about the 3d effects i have with the Q150's im just looking for the next step up since im willing to spend more than the Q150's $350 price tag.
 
All none diffusers are to much damping for getting very good envelopment.

You can try the effect by yourself. Omnidirectional speaker work best but you will have a gimse of the same effect if you try it with your most omnidirectional speaker.

Speaker in der middle of the room listening distance of about 60cm and about 50° to 60° stereo triangle. All symmetrical.
 
I can only recommend to try it once you will get hooked as long as you don't move your head ;)
 
All none diffusers are to much damping for getting very good envelopment.

You can try the effect by yourself. Omnidirectional speaker work best but you will have a gimse of the same effect if you try it with your most omnidirectional speaker.

Speaker in der middle of the room listening distance of about 60cm and about 50° to 60° stereo triangle. All symmetrical.

By omnidirectional do you mean similar to the KEF UNi-Q driver?
 
By omnidirectional do you mean similar to the KEF UNi-Q driver?
No a speaker which radiates all frequency content in all directions. The kef will begin to beam more and more at about 1kHz.
 
Hi Guys,

I care less about tonal balance and a flat graph and more about the imaging and the emotional impact that provides as mentioned above.

Wow, so, not much to do with *science* here, is there?

Is it time to have the 'imaging' debate again, already?
 
I did not get good imaging until I upgraded the room

I got this very 'magical' , deep soundstage, 3D left right/front-back imaging using a pair of NHT SuperOne speakers years ago, in a moderately damped living room (furniture, a wall hanging, rug, no 'treatments' otherwise), configured for (very) near field listening (the setup that 'Cardas' touts with 'golden ratio' gobbleygook).

The same speakers (and amp, cables etc) in other configurations/rooms did not yield the same magic.

It's not the speakers. It's acoustics.
 
Wow, so, not much to do with *science* here, is there?

Is it time to have the 'imaging' debate again, already?

Do you have a link to a favorite imaging debate? I would love to read that.
 
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