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Benchmark AHB2 design

I don't know why you would automatically tied the word "significant" to audibility. You are assuming, I won't repeat saying: "Do you know what happens when you. . .blah blah blah" And yes, swinging from 105dB SINAD to 55dB SINAD is not only significant, I should of say "very significant."
not sure where you saw 55db SINAD for Purifi tbh ... see Purifi official data for 9040 module and I am driving them with my Benchmark LA4 pre-amp in cleanest possible bypass mode (no front-end buffers in the signal path)
 

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I don't know why you would automatically tied the word "significant" to audibility. You are assuming, I won't repeat the saying: "Do you know what happens when you. . .blah blah blah" And yes, swinging from 105dB SINAD to 55dB SINAD is not only significant, I should of say "very significant."
Not sure why you are suddenly talking about amps that deliver on 55dB SINAD in this discussion...? At no time ever have I said the AHB2 is in any way flawed.
 
Not sure why you are suddenly talking about amps that deliver on 55dB SINAD in this discussion...?
The spec sheets from Purifi and hypex are measured based on a bandwidth of up to 20kHz, where as Amir does it up to 45kHz.

And see post #88, you will see that swing I am referring to.

There is a good video intro on amplifier measurements that Amir did, take some time to review it.
 
The spec sheets from Purifi and hypex are measured based on a bandwidth of up to 20kHz, where as Amir does it up to 45kHz.

And see post #88, you will see that swing I am referring to.

There is a good video intro on amplifier measurements that Amir did, take some time to review it.
Didn't you say that at 15KHz performance is dropping to 55db SINAD? Or maybe I misunderstood your post? In Purifi 9040 specs I just posted, I see nothing like that ... 20Hz - 20kHz
 
The spec sheets from Purifi and hypex are measured based on a bandwidth of up to 20kHz, where as Amir does it up to 45kHz.

And see post #88, you will see that swing I am referring to.

There is a good video intro on amplifier measurements that Amir did, take some time to review it.
I believe those measurements are with front-end buffer boards in the signal path and with 20db gain settings ... Purifi alone has 14db gain and shows clean performance between 20Hz - 20kHz ... on the other hand, on that thread, AHB2 measurements were done with lowest 9db gain setting, which has the ultimately best measurements ... again not denying Benchmark's fantastic engineering, but also saying that Bruno Putzey should not be dismissed either. Otherwise it can sound clownish.

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Didn't you say that at 15KHz performance is dropping to 55db SINAD? Or maybe I misunderstood your post? In Purifi 9040 specs I just posted, I see nothing like that ... 20Hz - 20kHz
Both Hypex and Purifi datasheets use 20Hz-20kHz BW to measure THD+N. Thus, above 10kHz fundamental frequency THD+N plots show noise only. It is for the marketing reason, the plots look much nicer, then. Such measurements are pointless above 10kHz. Totally. They started to be used with class D. Before, 80kHz BW was a standard to catch 4th harmonic of 20kHz.
 
Didn't you say that at 15KHz performance is dropping to 55db SINAD? Or maybe I misunderstood your post? In Purifi 9040 specs I just posted, I see nothing like that ... 20Hz - 20kHz
From Hypex. Purifi does the same exact thing.

The bottom line is this: the distortion and noise above 20kHz is inaudible, that's why Hypex and Purifi only uses bandwidth up to 20kHz. Amir goes up to 45kHz because Amir is a nut job like me, we are marveling at the engineering feat.

No one buys a Ferrari to drive 220mph on the road as no such practical road exist for such speed, then why are people still buying a Ferrari? Because they are car connoisseurs, just to know that they can drive 220mph even if they never can, to marvel at the art and the engineering and for some, it magically makes their balls bigger?

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Both Hypex and Purifi datasheets use 20Hz-20kHz BW to measure THD+N. Thus, above 10kHz fundamental frequency THD+N plots show noise only. It is for the marketing reason, the plots look much nicer, then. Such measurements are pointless above 10kHz. Totally. They started to be used with class D. Before, 80kHz BW was a standard to catch 4th harmonic of 20kHz.
Which actually means, in all practical home usage scenarios, it's all inaudible and mostly irrelevant, except for this type academic, hair splitting, type discussions, eh?
When I see that my Purifi power amplifier board has clean performance 20 Hz - 20 kHz, both THD and IMD below 0.0001 % should I be really worried? Let me know
 
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should I be really worried? Let me know
No, your Purifi amp is excellent, I have the Hypex, that too is excellent. Unless you somehow mutated to a bat and you can withstand extremely high SPL for a sustained long period of time without losing your hearing, then there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

But the Benchmark AHB2, is a better performing amp, with the exception it doesn't have as much power as Purifi and Hypex.

I own it because I want a piece of audio history, I actually don't have a use for it around the house at this moment.
 
From Hypex. Purifi does the same exact thing.

The bottom line is this: the distortion and noise above 20kHz is inaudible, that's why Hypex and Purifi only uses bandwidth up to 20kHz. Amir goes up to 45kHz because Amir is a nut job like me, we are marveling at the engineering feat.

No one buys a Ferrari to drive 220mph on the road as no such practical road exist for such speed, then why are people still buying a Ferrari? Because they are car connoisseurs, just to know that they can drive 220mph even if they never can, to marvel at the art and the engineering and for some, it magically makes their balls bigger?

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Ok sure ... I am OK and perfectly happy with Alfa Romeo Quadrofoglio then (still Ferrari engine in it though)
 
No, your Purifi amp is excellent, I have the Hypex, that too is excellent. Unless you somehow mutated to a bat and you can withstand extremely high SPL for a sustained long period of time without losing your hearing, then there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

But the Benchmark AHB2, is a better performing amp, with the exception it doesn't have as much power as Purifi and Hypex.

I own it because I want a piece of audio history, I actually don't have a use for it around the house at this moment.
I tend to agree, with slight caveat question ... is it better performing at all gain settings or just with ones (i.e. lowest) used for studio setups?
 
I tend to agree, with slight caveat question ... is it better performing at all gain settings or just with ones (i.e. lowest) used for studio setups?
Don't even go down that rabbit hole to figure out which gain is better performing, it's all inaudible, as demonstrated in the measurements (Amir measures with different gain).

Your Purifi is world class and is completely audibly transparent. Just not as world class as the almighty Benchmark AHB2 :D
 
No, your Purifi amp is excellent, I have the Hypex, that too is excellent. Unless you somehow mutated to a bat and you can withstand extremely high SPL for a sustained long period of time without losing your hearing, then there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

But the Benchmark AHB2, is a better performing amp, with the exception it doesn't have as much power as Purifi and Hypex.

I own it because I want a piece of audio history, I actually don't have a use for it around the house at this moment.
For my use the AHB2 isn’t enough amplifier power and this would sound bad to terrible to perhaps be damaging to my speakers in comparison to a set of monoblock Hypex NCX500

To me that’s fatal flaw especially in light of the price of the Benchmark
 
This is also incorrect. Class D amps suffer significant level of switching noise at higher frequencies, where as the AHB2 does not. That is the reason why John Siau has his disdain for class D.
I also want to discuss this a bit here. Class D amplifiers has been around for decades but Hypex and Purifi perfected the class D topology for their products and their products only.

Sometimes reading some ASR posts, some people think class D is this almighty new topology and it almost appears as if some people now universally accept that all class D are great performing.

There is a different between Hypex and Purifi's class D and all other class D, where some of them, the switching noise are indeed audible.
 
Are you serious?

Or are you deliberately misrepresenting what I’m saying?

A clipping amp most definitely would damage speakers
What you are describing is that your amp does not have enough power, so you push it to the limit, in which it starts to clip. That is different that having amplifiers that is not enough power and you don't get enough SPL.
 
What you are describing is that your amp does not have enough power, so you push it to the limit, in which it starts to clip. That is different that having amplifiers that is not enough power and you don't get enough SPL.
No sir. That’s not correct

Put two amps AHB2 in stereo stock configuration vs hypex ncx500 mono blocks head to head into 87db 4-6ohm speakers and listen to orchestral performances with peaks of 106db at 10ft

The AHB2 Would clip due to being underpowered and possibly damaging the speakers

Those are facts
 
Some AB amps are also shit. Some class A amps as well.. so what’s your point?
The difference is that people aren't universally saying all AB and A are great just because the Benchmark AHB2 is great. But it appears that some are misled to think all class D is great because Purifi and Hypex is great. And some posts on ASR almost reads class D = Purifi and Hypex.

All I am doing is pointing out that ONLY Purifi and Hypex's are considered objectively great amps in the world of class D. All other class D are not great, many are shit (to borrow your term).
 
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