Belief vs Science

[jfetter]

Possibly we are all somewhat in error. There is a third way(self-organization), the wild west of biophysics.
This is where audio enters the lab.
Not much is openly published of work, results and procedures. In fact much work is disguised-hidden performed as tag along experiments. Einstein call it 'spooky'.
Here is an 'ok' summary.
http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~bob/Term_Reports/Zhou_Di.pdf
There are no experts in this field. Everyone is *cautiously* learning in real-time. ( ha 'Time' again)

 

[TimF]

Regarding the statement: Must we go through another Dark Ages...., I recommend the short novel Hard to be a God by Arkady and Boris Strugastsky, or the Russian movie of same by Aleksei German. I don't recommend the movie except for the very hardy and or film buffs, as I similarly don't recommend the Russian movie 4 (numeric) except for the doubly hardy.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Well, you know the old saying.............

You can lead a horse to water, but there is no guarantee if he takes a drink he won't choke on it.

 

[DKT88]

Feel free to be utterly incorrect, bio systems or not (the Second Law doesn't care).

the second law, which I "learned" in a thermodynamics class is really misunderstood. I wondered about how things could become more ordered e.g. evolution of biological systems and not violate the trend towards disorder in a closed system. Then there was the ah ha moment (when I read the answer).

 

[jfetter]

Is relativity, SR and Time itself a religious belief? It has all the ingredients of a cult.
Proof is discarded or hidden and naysayers are burned at the stake.
When it fails a new 'particle' is is proposed.
just saying...

Saw this today on rt. House of cards nearing collapse....
https://www.rt.com/russia/476750-no-dark-energy-russian-astrophysicists/

 

[Willem]

Not a site known for accurate facts.

 

[Tks]

Saw this today on rt. House of cards nearing collapse....
https://www.rt.com/russia/476750-no-dark-energy-russian-astrophysicists/

House of cards nearing collapse? Collapse of what? The study was recently published, and hasn't been cited anywhere. Also, lets say they're correct. Okay, so what? I don't see the problem, but then again how can I, not having a degree in physics, nor the inclination of paying to see the study itself...

 

[jfetter]

Yes "house of cards" is from Einstein shortly before his death, authorized biography.
He said he feared he had built a house of cards.
A physics degree is not required, the bio has only a few calculations.
Here is interior of M2.

 

[jfetter]

Next company I start will focus on audio cult science.

 

[jfetter]

So no educational penalization on tests, homework, and classwork if someone comes in and says the world is less than 6,000 years old? No problems there just to be clear from your view?

BS regurgitated, 6k is from the 'mainstream science' of the time. Similar to relativity....

 

[gikigill]

BS regurgitated, 6k is from the 'mainstream science' of the time. Similar to relativity....

No, its from the Christian version of "science. Going against it might cause minor problems like losing you head the next day or having your limbs removed one by one.

 

[jfetter]

No, its from the Christian version of "science. Going against it might cause minor problems like losing you head the next day or having your limbs removed one by one.

How ignorant...
Please go back for remedial world history.

 

[gikigill]

Which remedial world history do you recommend?

 

[Sal1950]

Let them be drawn and quartered.

 

[Tks]

BS regurgitated, 6k is from the 'mainstream science' of the time. Similar to relativity....

Sorry, I don't know what you're trying to convey. The topic was concerning modern day topic of how education should proceed..

What relevancy is there to that effect, with respect to what you just said?

 

[Wombat]

How ignorant...
Please go back for remedial world history.

I think you need to clarify. Maybe you are happier to be elusive, or alternatively, can't rationalise your beliefs.

 

[Thomas savage]

For most of the human race science is something they ' believe in ' or not for some.

There's a deal of knowledge one needs before you can claim any different.

 

[Wombat]

There are so many things that people claim knowledge of but when brought to account all they have is opinion and rhetoric.

Bigfoot, Yeti, alien abduction, out-of-body experience, gnomes at the bottom of the garden, ghosts, voices in the wind. etc.

Yes, give me substantive, verifiable knowledge that is repeatable in practice.

P.S. I occasionally buy a lottery ticket. That's wishful thinking.

 

[Wombat]

For most of the human race science is something they ' believe in ' or not for some.

There's a deal of knowledge one needs before you can claim any different.

Some of us have studied human belief to some degree. It is interesting and generally not so puzzling at a basic scientific level.

Even the dogged clinging to established beliefs in the face of clear refuting evidence is somewhat understood.

It usually comes down to self-interest in a social context.

 

[Thomas savage]

Some of us have studied human belief to some degree. It is interesting and generally not so puzzling at a basic scientific level.

Even the dogged clinging to established beliefs in the face of clear refuting evidence is somewhat understood.

It usually comes down to self-interest in a social context.

In the face of not ' knowing ' belief is needed.

We all operate on belief, all day everyday.