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So does Apple. The engineering that beats has/had: is not why Apple bought them.Beats got engineering capabilities as well.
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So does Apple. The engineering that beats has/had: is not why Apple bought them.Beats got engineering capabilities as well.
Thanks for the heads up to not watch the video or anything from that channel ever.Looking at another video on that channel (about Nakamichi) there are all the signs of generative slop, in visual construction as well as narrative.
cruise control that gently slows down to the under the spped limit car in front of you so that you don't realize that you've slowed down until you've been behind him for 5 minutes while cars in the left lane are going by you (when, if it warned you that the car was slower, then you'd have gone on around, too). The
It's Amar Bose's fault for his LEGACY TEAMS getting their stereo junk hooked into cars computer systems!How did we arrive at adaptive cruise control or seat (and mirror) memory in this exchange? :-D
I am completely anti driving assist crap. (a) I beyond hate it when my GF's A6RS does evasive manouvers on its own when some suicidal imbecile motorcycle rider shoots by (note I am a motorcycle rider but I know riding is not a video game) and (b) when a car drives itself I'd rather get an Uber and be done with it.
But I guess it somehow comes back to Beats when people start thinking "if everybody likes this stuff, I guess I should pretend to love it too and I shall be super cool given the peer acceptance".
Thanks for the heads up to not watch the video or anything from that channel ever.
While Apple turned the music industry on its head with iTunes, 99c tracks and 'rip, mix, burn' those strategies were losing efficacy as streaming took over global listening habits. This article is a better and more concise summary than the over-long video.
To this day I loathe the German industry for completely failing to capitalise on the whole MP3 thing. Everything was there and ripe for the taking: the invention, the patent, the consumer tech companies, the national major music labels like Bertelsmann/BMG and Motor Music with their huge catalogs, everything.
But as always, nothing happened in Germany but instead others made all the big money from it. A repeating historical pattern just like with the fax machine. German invention, domestically disregarded, then big Japanese profit.
True or not, sounds a lot like what seems to have happened with the USA, Japan and VCR's:To this day I loathe the German industry for completely failing to capitalize on the whole MP3 thing. Everything was there and ripe for the taking: the invention, the patent, the consumer tech companies, the national major music labels like Bertelsmann/BMG and Motor Music with their huge catalogs, everything.
But as always, nothing happened in Germany but instead others made all the big money from it. A repeating historical pattern just like with the fax machine. German invention, domestically disregarded, then big Japanese profit.
Actually, Dr Olive was very impressed by the measurements of the Beats Solo Pro. He thought they must be working to the Harman target. If so, he definitely wasn't wasting his time. (link to Facebook)So all you guys who care about compliance to the Harman target: you're all wrong. Sean Olive was wasting his time.
As the video points out eventually Apple engineering tuned Beats headphones to something that approximates the Harman Targe curve and users never complained or missed a beat. Around 2013 we did a blind test that included the Beat Studio target with over 200 listeners (including both young untrained listeners and trained ones ) and it received the lowest preference rating compared to Harman target, sennheiser Hd800 and Audeze LCD2. Our marketing department thought Beats success was in part due to the sound (and we should duplicate it) and we proved it was in spite of the sound. We were just ahead of Apple in terms of engineering and years behind in terms of marketing).
This video talks about the history of Beats headphones. How they came from nothing, did no research, optimized their product to deliver a bass heavy response (because that made music sound more exciting) and then invested a lot of money into marketing. Sales exploded and the company became so valuable that Apple paid $3 billion for them. Unlike Apple's other acquisitions (e.g. Siri and Q.ai), Beats had no proprietary technology, all they had was their brand name. Yet Apple still saw fit to pay billions of dollars for the company. For context, Samsung paid $8 billion for the Harman Group - a company that has a dozen smaller brands under its umbrella, wrote the textbook on speaker and headphone engineering, and it actually has patents!
As the video points out, most serious audiophiles regard Beats with the same disdain we reserve for Bose. We KNOW that it's cheaply made and inaccurate. We cling to our Sennheisers, Beyerdynamics, AKG's, and Dan Clarks. But look where those companies are: AKG belongs to Samsung as part of the Harman group, Sennheiser is up for sale, Beyerdynamic has been acquired by the Chinese (for USD$140 million!!), and DCA is an absolute minnow.
There is a difference between enthusiasts and audio companies. We are in it for the sound. Audio companies are in it for the money. As an enthusiast, it boggles my mind that Apple paid $3 billion for basically an empty shell created out of nothing through the power of marketing. But then, those Apple guys are much smarter than I am. Or maybe more cynical. I guess the consumer gets what they deserve.
So all you guys who care about compliance to the Harman target: you're all wrong. Sean Olive was wasting his time. If you want to make money, forget the Harman curve and forget science. Go find yourself a rapper, get a product designer to give you a cool logo and cool looking headphones, invest all your money in marketing, and make bank. History tells us that perception trumps reality, and it trumps it big. To the tune of $3 billion for Beats.
...Crud cred.Many years ago, I had the early beats owners sitting 2 rows in front of me on an airplane flying between Tokyo and Detroit. And they had a couple of their early headphones with them, discussing the design. I had already heard the abysmal sounding 'Beats' somewhere & mentioned to them that their sound wasn't close to as linier as my Sennheiser's. They just looked at me with distain and did not verbally acknowledge that I had said anything, continuing with whatever their focus was on in their headphones.
I guess that I was right, but they where coming up with their plan and made it way bigger than the more correct sound that I listen to. I'm not much of a head phone user but their crud damn near killed the 'correct' sounding head phone market.
I googled it… um, I mean, I geAIed it to look up what “bassheads” means. Never heard this expression before. By definition, bassheads are people who like low-frequency bass. You can recognize them, among other things, by their very powerful subwoofers, for example let’s say >1000 Wrms and >3000 WPeak. Not to be confused with the so-called “bassophiles,” who use less powerful subwoofers and prefer transparent, precise bass. Then there’s the group known as “Basspoors,” who claim that a 2.0 system is the only true audiophile experience—until they finally bring themselves to invest in a good subwoofer and then decide whether to follow the path of a basshead (>1000 Wrms) or a bassophile.Some people prioritize physical impact and elevated bass over faithful reproduction. I tend to think of them as bass heads rather than audiophiles.
Sure, but youtube aside, ASR itself is surely about truth through measurement, and if that reveals myths, overcharging, marketing nonsense then so much the better.I’m invested in a positive agenda elevating hi-fi excellence, audio science, accurate frequency response, low noise and distortion, and vivid, balanced, transparent presence in music playback.
I’m mostly completely disinterested in the paranoid strain of audio gear commentary whose themes are myth-busting, calling out ripoffs, denouncing “shills,” and saturnine everything’s-a-scam look-at-all-those-suckers resentment. Especially when packaged as YouTube linkbait. I don’t want to be put inside that vs. frame. Letting Beats people have their fun is not my problem.
We all know you already have the skater kneepads....When I hear the term bass head it immediately brings forth an image of those dickless, look at me’s in their tiny cars with their subs at 1900% higher volume than the door speakers.
Which then makes me think of this…
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… and the 80’s reminiscent midriff baring tank topWe all know you already have the skater kneepads....![]()
That's button-up long-johns, not 'midriff', below the tank-top...… and the 80’s reminiscent midriff baring tank top![]()