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we need this one on the Kipple.
All cool as long as you don't look at competitionBoth Beolab 90 and 50 are very well designed speakers that measures overall well and far above what's common.
The M120 may be ok, but the S80 in both versions was dire, the sound being phasey, lumpy balance and with terrible vertical dispersion. The 6000 slim active columns lack bass in a medium to larger room and the 8000 'pencils' had a one note thump unless carefully positioned. the 2500 and especially the lozenge shaped 4000 actives of old were quite good on a shelf/table or optional wall brackets if not too much was asked of them...True of some of their products but not all. The MC120.2 for example uses waveguides and a midrange dome - this was in 1983. Ahead of the curve by some margin.
The UK hi-fi press generally push the line that B&O are a lifestyle brand where ultimate sound quality is compromised for appearance.
Maybe it's different in the USA.
These were shipped from London via DHL express (and in the offical B&O packaging), but I feel like this is unlikely. In any case, there are more pictures of the 20's construction here (with some additional insight into the design of the speaker from B&O's tonmeister himself in the comments):I do wonder if there's a possible issue with the review speaker? Maybe some fittings have come loose causing the midrange resonance - the enclosure looks like a multi-moulding unless I'm totally mistaken. Thing is, smaller pro models like 'our' beloved Genelec and Neumann references, often need to be carted around and about not always well packed up (my ATC 20ASL pros had snug 'transport cases' originally for each speaker) so need to be physically strong I'd suggest. These b&O's would be dealer installed quite often, connected up using the B&O bus system of the period (powerlink multi pin DIN in my day but different now), the RCA socketrs are token for the likes of us and not normally used, so why spend more on posher looking gold plated ones with next to no performance advantage really?
The specific speaker might not be the best omnidirectional speaker. But I doubt you get an accurate impression of the capability of such speaker design with a mono near obstacle placement. I think it is a bit unfair to use these test conditions which strongly favors typical speaker designs that is all I want to point out.listening impressions from ASR members of stereo pairs of these are in line with Amir's impressions though:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...o-beolab-20-speaker-review.43041/post-1523651
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...o-beolab-20-speaker-review.43041/post-1523625
Correction request. Should be Tin Pan AlleyStevie Ray Vaughan track, the Tin Cup Alley
I have never seen nor heard a BEO 5 (or any other B&O product). But, based on papers I had read (not the reviews, so much), I used to think that the BEO 5 was up my alley, as I like wider dispersion. Your saying that it was good as a party speaker sort of confirms that part. BUT, does it have better linearity and sound than this one for 2 people sitting on the couch trying to enjoy the music? I do hope that someone sends one in.Interesting speaker (at least different). Price looks like to be 11k CHF on the B&O website locally. It may looks like without the cover and that answer the question of where the midrange is.
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Score is 5.3 and goes to 5.9 with an EQ. Since the bass are excellent, it doesn't improve much with a subwoofer 5.9 and 6.6. with both subwoofer and EQ.
Target market is unlikely to add a crossover and a subwoofer but possibly B&O has one that does it automatically.
The EQ tracks the small oscillations on the LW and/or PIR but that's minor variations. The speaker has already been optimised to have a as flat as possible LW. The EQ optimise for a flatter PIR which may not be a good idea for this speaker. I would love to listen to this one with and without EQ.
Last time I went to a B&O store I listened to a 50k system and was disappointed (Beolab 50, now around 40k). The store didn't even know how to use the room correction system.
I am wondering if the quasi-omni nature could help in some cases. A friend of mine had the Beo 5 which looks similar and where good for parties.
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If you have a graphical EQ, you get more or less the same results:
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Ime the beolab 5 and 9 have a wide dispersion. I would advice you to listen to one for yourself. B&O shops have 2nd hand pairs now and then.I have never seen nor heard a BEO 5 (or any other B&O product). But, based on papers I had read (not the reviews, so much), I used to think that the BEO 5 was up my alley, as I like wider dispersion. Your saying that it was good as a party speaker sort of confirms that part. BUT, does it have better linearity and sound than this one for 2 people sitting on the couch trying to enjoy the music? I do hope that someone sends one in.
with loudspeakers the differences can be considerable regardless of the size of the space. Lots of rubbish loudspeakers out there. Good ones really do show them up.$15,000.00, for both I assume, for active speakers. I cannot even start to imagine what kind of performance and presumably what kind of measurement we should expect to hear and see for such an extraordinary (for me) amount of money, even considering diminishing value compare to cost when going overboard.
Lately I have been marvelling at how much music, details, timbre, dynamic, I am getting form $60 IEM connected to a Apple dongle listening to digital files stored on a IPhone, 15K speakers? What are people expecting? How different can listening to recorded music in a relatively small space be?
While I agree with the objective side, I can't help to value the design as well. And that is a very subjective valuation which agreement never will occur. B&O has always been like that more or less. A comparison can somewhat be made with apple, which also have some actives in their portfolio which is so apparently overpriced, that it begs to belief. Like how much better is the iPhone 14 Pro Max compared to the iPhone 12? -Difficult to decipher.$15,000.00, for both I assume, for active speakers. I cannot even start to imagine what kind of performance and presumably what kind of measurement we should expect to hear and see for such an extraordinary (for me) amount of money, even considering diminishing value compare to cost when going overboard.
Lately I have been marvelling at how much music, details, timbre, dynamic, I am getting form $60 IEM connected to a Apple dongle listening to digital files stored on a IPhone, 15K speakers? What are people expecting? How different can listening to recorded music in a relatively small space be?
The funny thing is that you can indeed have state of the art performance with an apple dongle and a 60 dollar IEM!$15,000.00, for both I assume, for active speakers. I cannot even start to imagine what kind of performance and presumably what kind of measurement we should expect to hear and see for such an extraordinary (for me) amount of money, even considering diminishing value compare to cost when going overboard.
Lately I have been marvelling at how much music, details, timbre, dynamic, I am getting form $60 IEM connected to a Apple dongle listening to digital files stored on a IPhone, 15K speakers? What are people expecting? How different can listening to recorded music in a relatively small space be?
I have great hopes. I have never believed in "head in a vice" listening or headphone listening (unless I am trying not to disturb others while I an getting things done around the house [therefore meaning wireless headphone listening]{my Sennheiser TS-180 'not bluetooth' a 30+ meter range}). But I would much rather just listen to the speakers (in my case: Dahlquist M-905's and a pair of customized [by me] 12' floor firing {for dispersion} subs crossed over at 80 Hz.Ime the beolab 5 and 9 have a wide dispersion. I would advice you to listen to one for yourself. B&O shops have 2nd hand pairs now and then.
I wouldn't be worried. I think you will be pretty surprised if you fear a speaker only for 2 people sitting on a couch or expect a party speaker. Ime they have imaging to die for and are refined and powerfull. Do have a listen and report back what you heard.
Tin Cup Alley must be where the musicians who didn't make it end up after hawking their instruments at the pawn shop.Correction request. Should be Tin Pan Alley
The funny thing is that you can indeed have state of the art performance with an apple dongle and a 60 dollar IEM!
Imo getting great speakers with similar performance costs quite a bit more. Still, with an avr, a sub and 2 elac 62's you get there in frequency response. For clarity you'll have to get something like the Genelec 8351's. Stunning difference in money, but ime that's the way it is.
Once again, as for the TAD Evolution 2 that we saw some time ago,https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tad-evolution-2-speaker-review.38949/ it is here and perhaps more than elsewhere of marketing positioning to touch a target of potential purchasers, if the price was in line with the audio quality we would have been for a long time and our forum would have no reason to be...$15,000.00, for both I assume, for active speakers. I cannot even start to imagine what kind of performance and presumably what kind of measurement we should expect to hear and see for such an extraordinary (for me) amount of money, even considering diminishing value compare to cost when going overboard.
Lately I have been marvelling at how much music, details, timbre, dynamic, I am getting form $60 IEM connected to a Apple dongle listening to digital files stored on a IPhone, 15K speakers? What are people expecting? How different can listening to recorded music in a relatively small space be?