Børresen speakers

[Pearljam5000]

Why isn't there more talk about them around here?
I like the T1 silver supreme
Unfortunately $55K is a little over my budget

 

[DVDdoug]

Why isn't there more talk about them around here?

Probably nobody has heard them...

Most of us don't own super-expensive stuff... and apparently nobody's sent one to Amir for review.

 

[Matt_Holland]

Erin reviewed the X3 and found it to be a bit of a disaster and that is without taking into account the huge price.

Talk of speakers at these high price points is rare in ASR and tends to be centred on the ridiculous value proposition.

The T1 does look fabulous in my opinion, but like anything else, unless it measures well and shows excellent engineering, it won’t be of much interest here.

Unfortunately so much ultra high-end audio is just complete snake-oil.

 

[staticV3]

Erin's review pretty much killed all interest in the brand from science-focused, price-conscious folks, which is a major subset of ASR users.

So, not much talk.

 

[MAB]

Why isn't there more talk about them around here?

Probably because they are outside of your budget. We don't want to tease.
Based on at least one set of measurements, they don't come from a company that seems to be able to design good speakers.
How come you are talking about them around here?

 

[Pearljam5000]

Probably because they are outside of your budget. We don't want to tease.
Based on at least one set of measurements, they don't come from a company that seems to be able to design good speakers.
How come you are talking about them around here?

They look pretty cool and I like designs That are a little different than the mainstream

 

[IngMishael]

They look pretty cool and I like designs That are a little different than the mainstream

the amount of energy they put into cabinetry, I hope they put into acoustic engineering of their speakers, cos I did not like the X3 at AXPONA (the same X3 that surprisingly made its way to Erin. I made my mind at the show without even thinking we'd ever get a dataset on them) and didn't like their Raidho D-2.1 some years prior. (Maker of Borresen also made Raidhos before he sold it to Dantax A/S . Similar lack of snap and presence in all his designs)

waste of money on the wrong parts needed just because it will drive up cost.

Michael Børresen doesn't instill hope in me about his speaker designing chops

 

[Snarfie]

They look pretty cool and I like designs That are a little different than the mainstream

A Aliexpress project for 555,- ? Price for Two

 

[Arindal]

they don't come from a company that seems to be able to design good speakers.

I see no indication they are not capable of achieving their goal of what a good speaker is. The ones I have heard are definitely not neutral nor aiming for hi-fi accuracy in the classic sense, but they do show some sound characteristics which people seem to love. So I would conclude they don't want to design what you and me regard to be a good speaker.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I see no indication they are not capable of achieving their goal of what a good speaker is. The ones I have heard are definitely not neutral nor aiming for hi-fi accuracy in the classic sense, but they do show some sound characteristics which people seem to love. So I would conclude they don't want to design what you and me regard to be a good speaker.

How did they sound?

 

[Arindal]

How did they sound?

Difficult to describe as I did not have a full listening session, just a brief chance to listen to one of their floorstander models. Definitely dominant bass, much too loud but not boomy; ultra-transparent and silky treble what people seem to love. But somehow they lacked attack and presence, sounded overly distant, at times colorated, as if someone had on purpose removed all frequency bands that would be associated with dynamics and proximity.

 

[dfuller]

Why isn't there more talk about them around here?

Because they're absolutely terrible speakers surrounded by marketing.

Difficult to describe as I did not have a full listening session, just a brief chance to listen to one of their floorstander models. Definitely dominant bass, much too loud but not boomy; ultra-transparent and silky treble what people seem to love. But somehow they lacked attack and presence, sounded overly distant, at times colorated, as if someone had on purpose removed all frequency bands that would be associated with dynamics and proximity.

Yikes. That is not what I want to hear.

 

[MattHooper]

I was really interested in hearing Borresen speakers for a while. Certainly not to buy, but just curious.

I’m a lot less interested after Erin’s review showing the faults (and after my friend reviewed another model that largely concurred with Erin’s review). Like others, it really made me question the Designer’s chops (and if I were actually in the market for some of their super expensive models, the measurements of their lower priced models would give me pause as well).

I still be curious to hear them if I encountered them at a show or something, but I wouldn’t go out of my way at this point.

 

[amirm]

I have heard them at the last audio show I went to and commented on them:

Post in thread 'Amir's 2023 Pacific Audio Fest Report'

Jun 25, 2023

First suite was Aaavik , Borrensen and ansuz:

Like the huge LED on this Forte 3 all in one streamer, amplifier and DAC. Didn't like the $11,000 price though.

Børresen X3 speakers (10,000 Euros)

Music played:

Life on Mars​

AURORA​

Highs sounded piercing.

Both Sides Now - Erlend Gunstveit​

Nice!

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Post in thread 'Amir's 2023 Pacific Audio Fest Report Day 2'

Jun 27, 2023

When I was in this booth the day before, they only played the smaller Børresen speakers. This time I got to listen to the M6. This is a $550,000 speaker (not a typo)!

The what???

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[Digital_Thor]

I've heard them at an exhibition. And when you walk around and listen to a ton of speakers during a day, then it is easy to believe - for a few minutes - that a speaker is playing quite ok, as you enter the room and sit down. But Børresen is one of those brands, that seems to just ignore good measurements and long-lasting listening enjoyment. So you get up again, nod politely and walk out the room - if you like me - have experience and daily live with speakers that do not have a "character", "coloration" or lack of midrange break-up suppression.

 

[thewas]

Why isn't there more talk about them around here?

By the way there are a dozen pages of replies on the same brand on topics you had created:

New Børresen M6 flagship speakers​

Børresen M1​

 

[SigbergAudio]

Off topic: Am I the only one disliking this new forum feature where links to other threads creates this huge inline copy of the post complete with pictures and all? Very hard to read.

 

[thewas]

Off topic: Am I the only one finding this new forum feature where links to other threads creates this huge inline copy of the post complete with pictures and all? Very hard to read.

I also agree and I had to make now a hyperlinked text to remove it.

 

[Matt_Holland]

These will exhibit line source properties from the woofers’ upper frequency range down to around 400Hz by my estimate. I imagine this would give them quite good room filling capability and a sense of power at long listening distances. How the line source dispersion and room interaction blends with the directivity of the tweeter is anyone’s guess.

I’m shocked at the price tag. I’ve heard the big Stenheim rigs that cost around half of these and you can kind of understand the value proposition because of the sheer size of them, the material grade and amount of engineering involved, but the Boresson don’t look like they offer anything like value for money.

 

[Arindal]

These will exhibit line source properties from the woofers’ upper frequency range down to around 400Hz by my estimate.

That would be the case if all cones are working in parallel as midwoofers. That's not the case it, seemingly it is something like a 3-way concept with only the cones next to the tweeter also acting as midrange, so something closer to d´Apollito style plus additional bass drivers (which presumably might be crossed over lower than 400Hz, we don't know it).

That is not what I want to hear.

Me neither. But I have encountered several ultra high end speakers which follow a similar philosophy so I guess there is a market for that ´play super-silky and bass-rich but never annoy me´ sound. Marten, Raidho, Vienna Acoustics, Avalon come to mind. Not saying they sound all the same, but there seems to be some kind of similar goal.