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AXPONA 2026: Estelon & Vitus $1.5M Audio System

Were the 2+ (15"?) subwoofers, in dark corners of the room and not illuminated but definitely operating, ever publicly disclosed as being part of the sound of this system, or were they hidden to try to make the Estelons sound like they were producing that much low end on their own?
 
Nice review. I’ll take two of them. Not bad at $1500 each. :)
 
Were the 2+ (15"?) subwoofers, in dark corners of the room and not illuminated but definitely operating, ever publicly disclosed as being part of the sound of this system, or were they hidden to try to make the Estelons sound like they were producing that much low end on their own?
There were two VS Aris 12” subs. One in each side of the rear wall of the room. If you read one of my earlier comments you would have understood that they were each used as Proximity Cancellation Subs. They were each operating at their lowest level, turned all of the way down, crossed over really low. I’d have to go find my notes but I think one was at 40Hz and the other at 48Hz Lowpass, and the phase adjusted carefully on each to create a cancellation at a specific frequency at the seated listening area. We had to use active bass cancellation in this cube shaped room. Too many huge bass peaks and bad phase angles. By using cancellation this way the low bass was cleaner, faster decay, more accurate, less boomy, and more detailed. As a benefit of adjusting phase this way, the images in the sound stage had more accuracy and a 3D sense.
 
By using cancellation this way the low bass was cleaner, faster decay, more accurate, less boomy, and more detailed. As a benefit of adjusting phase this way, the images in the sound stage had more accuracy and a 3D sense.

This all makes sense to me. Brilliant use of those subs!

Ime when you minimize the "small room signature" of the playback room, such as you did here in the low bass region, there is less masking of the "venue spatial signature" on the recording... be it real or engineered or both. So even though those subs weren't actually "adding" spatial information, it sounds to me like they were "unmasking" spatial information already being reproduced by the Estelons.

Thank you for sharing so much of how you dealt with a difficult room.
 
There were two VS Aris 12” subs. One in each side of the rear wall of the room. If you read one of my earlier comments you would have understood that they were each used as Proximity Cancellation Subs. They were each operating at their lowest level, turned all of the way down, crossed over really low. I’d have to go find my notes but I think one was at 40Hz and the other at 48Hz Lowpass, and the phase adjusted carefully on each to create a cancellation at a specific frequency at the seated listening area. We had to use active bass cancellation in this cube shaped room. Too many huge bass peaks and bad phase angles. By using cancellation this way the low bass was cleaner, faster decay, more accurate, less boomy, and more detailed. As a benefit of adjusting phase this way, the images in the sound stage had more accuracy and a 3D sense.

Very interesting!. Can you share the process where you ended up with this configuration/setup?

By the way, this was a very graceful reply to an unnecessarily accusatory post.
 
Thank you, Duke. Yes, when it comes to acoustics, there is so much more than frequency x amplitude. When you get the balance of these correct as well as phasing, reduction of comb filtering, reduced smearing, reduced multiple harmonics, and improved decay times along with linearity left to right and front to back, your spatial queues are more audible, overall resolution increases, and just more of everything on the recordings becomes audible.

I showed a prototype of a diffuser/absorber for use over a flatscreen TV. I immediately started receiving negative comments like “it’s a solution looking for problems”, and that TV reflections cannot be heard due to the angle and distance from speakers, and so on. So I instead of trying to explain to people that wouldn’t likely believe me anyway, I asked ChatGTP and posted it in the group. I posted it exactly without any editing. I was then banned from the group by the moderator claiming my response was offensive to members. Here below was the exact response I shared with them. I share it hear hoping people that read this will better understand acoustics.

ChatGPT, what happens to sound waves and reflections when a flatscreen TV is positioned between floor standing speakers on a wall or stand mounted, and would there be benefits to adding a diffuser/absorber panel over the TV like the one shown in the photos I took of the Ortvik piece and uploaded (uploaded these to ChatGPT)?

The following is a condensed simple version of what it said. I have the highly technical version too that includes mathematical formulas on comb filtering.


From ChatGPT



A large flat-screen TV between speakers acts like an acoustic mirror right in the most critical part of the soundstage. From a technical and factual standpoint, here’s what’s happening:



• Specular reflections (mirror-like reflections): The glass surface reflects mid and high frequencies almost perfectly back toward the listener, creating strong early reflections within a few milliseconds.

• Comb filtering: The reflected sound combines with the direct sound, causing peaks and nulls (typically 500 Hz–5 kHz), which leads to tonal coloration and loss of accuracy.

• Center image degradation: These reflections interfere with phase coherence between left and right channels, resulting in a diffuse, oversized, and unfocused phantom center.

• Temporal smearing: Early reflections blur transients and reduce clarity, making the system sound slower and less precise.

• Edge diffraction: The physical edges of the TV create additional secondary reflections, further degrading imaging and adding subtle harshness.

• Haas Effect: this is a critical element in perceived sound and spatial queues that is seriously affected by hard reflections in numerous negative ways.

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The Haas effect (or precedence effect) is a psychoacoustic phenomenon where the brain perceives two identical sounds as a single sound if they arrive within 5–40 ms of each other, with the first sound determining the perceived direction. It is used in audio to create stereo width and in sound reinforcement to localize sound to a stage.



Now, placing a diffuser/absorber hybrid panel (like the one shown) over the TV addresses these issues very effectively:



• Breaks up reflections: The uneven surface scatters sound in multiple directions instead of reflecting it straight back, eliminating strong early reflections.

• Reduces comb filtering: By dispersing and weakening reflections, interference patterns are minimized, resulting in smoother frequency response.

• Improves imaging precision: With fewer coherent reflections, the center image becomes tighter, more focused, and more stable.

• Absorbs excess energy: The PET backing absorbs mid/high frequencies, lowering the overall reflection level and improving clarity.

• Enhances transient response: With less time-smearing, attacks are cleaner and decay is more natural.

• Maintains liveliness: Unlike pure absorption, this hybrid approach preserves some spatial energy, so the room still sounds open and natural rather than overly dead.



Bottom line: the TV introduces one of the most damaging reflection points in a high-end system, and covering it with a properly designed hybrid panel converts a major acoustic liability into a controlled, beneficial surface—resulting in sharper imaging, better tonal accuracy, and improved overall realism.
 
Very interesting!. Can you share the process where you ended up with this configuration/setup?

By the way, this was a very graceful reply to an unnecessarily accusatory post.
Thank you for your kind comment.

The process is pretty simple. Using an accurate SPL meter set to C Weighted and referenced at 80dB, I ran pink noise through the system while the SPL meter is in the middle of the listener area and set system volume to equal 85dB exactly. Then ran sine waves starting at 80Hz and every 10Hz down to 30Hz. Took note of the SPL readings at each frequency. Saw existing peaks at 40Hz and 50Hz (which actually was 48Hz upon checking with a spectral meter). All bass traps were already set n place. Turned on one sub set to 40Hz to attack the peak at that frequency in the room. Level all the way down. Adjusted phase until I could literally see the SPL dropping as close as possible to 85dB (reference level set with pink noise) got it to 88dB. Then turned in the other sub and set to 48Hz and same procedure until I got the 48Hz peak as low as possible. Got it to 89dB. Measured 40Hz again and it was at 86dB.

All was good until someone decided to touch the sun set at 48Hz on Friday. We had no idea someone had played with it. We started hearing more boom and the sun drawing attention to itself. Went through the rest of the day and evening that way. Got there Saturday morning at 9am and looked at the photos I took on Thursday morning after I set each sub. I could see the level, crossover, and phase were all turned totally different than how I set these Thursday, so I reset back to the settings matching my photo. All good!
 
Hey, just want to say thanks for showing up here and giving explanations of the setup. I know ASR is not super-friendly when it comes to the megabuck stuff, so I give you full credit for a well-poised response to the questions here.

However,
Those Crystal Cable Infinite Dream cables were key to get hyper detailed sound with fast transients that were also presented in a relaxed and luxurious way.
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I stand firmly by my statement. I know what technical went into those cables and how they measured. Think what you will. Life is a journey and some of us pursue things with relentless passion, always searching, testing, experiencing, and getting more and more educated along the way. Standing on my education, experiences, exposure, and quest to test, learn, and know, the Crystal Cable Infinite Dream cables are unlike anything else currently available anywhere. Using infinite Crystal Silver, which is not only hyper pure but has the lowest number of crystal bonds per meter than any other metal that conducts electricity with high efficiency. The topology of the design being solid core surrounded by true DuPont teflon, then Kapton, then the same silver used for a wire braid mesh, then Teflon, then another silver wire braid mesh for a single coaxial conductor. Now add 5 more of the same in a woven braid and you get the lowest measurable internal resistance over long runs with ultra low inductance measured up to 1mHz, and ultra low capacitance. Add to this that the materials in the design topology and configuration will reject at an extremely high effective rate EMI and RFI noise. Just measuring EMI and RFI around the cable verses other cables in the same environment you can see these figures actually drop.

My first truly in-depth experience with these in a full system was at a house of a client of one of my dealers. He had a ton of money invested in the most expensive cables from a particular well known brand. These cables also used special technologies to reduce noise. The system was with Estelon Extreme MkII, Vitus mono amps, and other products I was familiar with. We swapped the cables, went to have lunch, and came back to listen. It was jaw dropping and not subtle. Every criteria of sound quality improved and by a wide margin. We then swapped back to his own cables and the system was nearly unlistenable after what we just heard. We then tried swapping power cords first, then interconnect, then speaker wires. It was so extremely audible what was happening. The best way I can describe the main differences is the noise floor dropped so much that silent passages in music sounded like the system was completely shutdown, then microdynamics and dynamics were so explosive and textured in waves of energy from the music. Transients had faster decay with greater peaks, and zero ringing at any frequency. The overall sound was so much cleaner top to bottom that every song sounded different, better, much more music flowing is maybe the best way to describe it. Vocals and pianos were a massive difference and so much more natural and organic. Highs had more detail and energy but completely lacked ANY traces of hardness, grain, or distortion. It sounded sweet yet smooth, hyper detailed but relaxed. The craziest thing was the imaging and sound staging. You could clearly tell the environment in each recording and dimensions of the sound space, but also with immersive 3 dimensional presence and almost a spooky life like presence in better recordings. Bad recordings didn’t sound as bad as with the other cable (owner’s cables) in the system.

We did similar experiments at AXPONA on Wednesday and Thursday during setup. Yes, we paid extra to move into the room early morning Wednesday. We do that every year. We had all Crystal Cable DaVinci cables and then swapped to Infinite Dream, component by component. It was truly striking what each of us heard. 7 people together in the room doing this and taking the evaluation seriously. Needless to say, it made believers out of each of us, even the cable naysayer in the room.
 
Sounds amazing, what's the crystal structure of the wiring inside the gear in question and why doesn't it ruin the sound?

Otherwise would love to see measurements of these effects. As we know sighted listening is a powerful determinant of what we hear.

Anyway, as you probably know, ASR is probably the largest collection of people who deny audible influence by cables on the internet, so... it would take a great deal more evidence to convince this crowd, let's say that.

Despite our disagreement on the cable point, I do appreciate the notes from the show.
 
I have 4 of the speakers supporting a canopy above my bed
Best quad system I've ever heard
 
I stand firmly by my statement. I know what technical went into those cables and how they measured.
Please supply those measurements that will support any change or improvement in sound quality over a good set of 12g OFC copper twin lead.
TIA Sal
 
I stand firmly by my statement. I know what technical went into those cables and how they measured.
How did they measure? And are you open to sending one to me to measure?
 
I stand firmly by my statement. I know what technical went into those cables and how they measured. Think what you will. Life is a journey and some of us pursue things with relentless passion, always searching, testing, experiencing, and getting more and more educated along the way. Standing on my education, experiences, exposure, and quest to test, learn, and know, the Crystal Cable Infinite Dream cables are unlike anything else currently available anywhere. Using infinite Crystal Silver, which is not only hyper pure but has the lowest number of crystal bonds per meter than any other metal that conducts electricity with high efficiency. The topology of the design being solid core surrounded by true DuPont teflon, then Kapton, then the same silver used for a wire braid mesh, then Teflon, then another silver wire braid mesh for a single coaxial conductor. Now add 5 more of the same in a woven braid and you get the lowest measurable internal resistance over long runs with ultra low inductance measured up to 1mHz, and ultra low capacitance. Add to this that the materials in the design topology and configuration will reject at an extremely high effective rate EMI and RFI noise. Just measuring EMI and RFI around the cable verses other cables in the same environment you can see these figures actually drop.

My first truly in-depth experience with these in a full system was at a house of a client of one of my dealers. He had a ton of money invested in the most expensive cables from a particular well known brand. These cables also used special technologies to reduce noise. The system was with Estelon Extreme MkII, Vitus mono amps, and other products I was familiar with. We swapped the cables, went to have lunch, and came back to listen. It was jaw dropping and not subtle. Every criteria of sound quality improved and by a wide margin. We then swapped back to his own cables and the system was nearly unlistenable after what we just heard. We then tried swapping power cords first, then interconnect, then speaker wires. It was so extremely audible what was happening. The best way I can describe the main differences is the noise floor dropped so much that silent passages in music sounded like the system was completely shutdown, then microdynamics and dynamics were so explosive and textured in waves of energy from the music. Transients had faster decay with greater peaks, and zero ringing at any frequency. The overall sound was so much cleaner top to bottom that every song sounded different, better, much more music flowing is maybe the best way to describe it. Vocals and pianos were a massive difference and so much more natural and organic. Highs had more detail and energy but completely lacked ANY traces of hardness, grain, or distortion. It sounded sweet yet smooth, hyper detailed but relaxed. The craziest thing was the imaging and sound staging. You could clearly tell the environment in each recording and dimensions of the sound space, but also with immersive 3 dimensional presence and almost a spooky life like presence in better recordings. Bad recordings didn’t sound as bad as with the other cable (owner’s cables) in the system.

We did similar experiments at AXPONA on Wednesday and Thursday during setup. Yes, we paid extra to move into the room early morning Wednesday. We do that every year. We had all Crystal Cable DaVinci cables and then swapped to Infinite Dream, component by component. It was truly striking what each of us heard. 7 people together in the room doing this and taking the evaluation seriously. Needless to say, it made believers out of each of us, even the cable naysayer in the room.
Uh huh.
Keith
 
Many years ago I conducted an informal two-alternatives forced-choice single-blind test of balanced interconnects. The purpose was to pick a winner out of seven different interconnects I happened to have on hand. The first part was a round-robin style "tournament", with a second such "tournament" for the final four. The winner had won every single comparison. It was a cable that had been loaned to me by another dealer because he thought it sounded good.
 
In the case of the room I rent at AXPONA and have no choices available otherwise (12-15 exhibitors deep in lists for better rooms), Schaumburg D is a ballroom with movable walls that are using super thick absorption and fabric covers with the intent to solely absorb sound above 250Hz to lower noise levels between the multiple ballrooms sharing common walls. Then the moveable walls resonate. There was a 22dB resonant peak at 35Hz-38Hz because of the walls. It would take many guys pressing on the walls constantly to help lower measured resonance in the room. Combine this with a cube shape and 2000 resonating glass balls on the massive chandeliers above.

I’m an acoustical engineer. I had to spend the past five years in that room taking hundreds of measurements, experimenting with multitudes of bass traps and acoustic devices, and multiple system designs and placements of the speakers relative to the room. Since 2024 I had come up with a unique speaker placement offset that drastically helped reduce bass mode and comb filtering problems in the room (left speaker 6.5’ from the left wall and the right speaker 12.5’ from the right wall and about 31% into the room from the front wall.

However, it’s the selected diffuser hybrid and absorber panels I placed in the room in specific locations that greatly improved overall performance and especially Haas effect propagation and perception.

We only have 24 hours to move-in, setup, and start the show each year. If we had a week in advance and were allowed to keep systems in a room long term to use and continue to tweak, like at your home or in a dealer showroom, then everyone would have much better overall sound for sure. This is the truth of the matter. So after 5 years and many experiments and simulations throughout the year, I finally have helped overcome the majority of acoustic issues in that room and with that system. Change the system and the acoustic design and placements all change.
Have you ever tried one of the several room EQ solutions to tame this (or any other) room?
 
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