Audyssey's Next Generation of Room Correction (MultEQ-X)

[HarmonicTHD]

I have both. The IOS App is better than the "regular Audyssey", the one you find in the AVR. It is however not precise, trying to "draw" a curve with fingers or BT mouse is tedious and not relaible, you may or not find the proper settings. MultEQ-X PC app is at a different level, a much better and more powerful application. It does have a learning curve but is IMHO worth the bother and expense. I was against it in the beginning, but have come to see it as indispensable. I haven't use and, don't know much about DIRAC. I do know, however despite the buzz that there is no conclusive proof, that it is superior to Audyssey.
Currently and patiently working with MutEQ-X to fine-tune my system. I will post my REW measurements when done. I ran into a bizarre issue that I need to ascertain. It seems that Audyssey doesn't work with all app or software inputs on my AVR, a Denon AVR-X3400H, it could be a fault on the AVR itself. Audyssey definitely works with Spotify and on movies from the Apple TV 4K connected via HDMI.. It, "seems" to have issues with Apple Airplay when using Apple Music.
I will look into this more.

Questions to the collective: How can one use REW with Apple Airplay? IOW sending the test tones via Airplay? Is this at all possible?

Peace.

The measurements from REW are time sensitive, so you would need a “hard” wire connection, I suppose.

I usually use an HDMI cable connecting the Laptop with my X3700.

 

[Koo]

Still no updates to this software? I've been waiting for the promised feature for turning off the surround channel boost when using Dynamic EQ. I guess the development really took a hit when Jeff Clark left. It makes sense why D&M started looking into Dirac, at least it's being actively developed.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Still no updates to this software? I've been waiting for the promised feature for turning off the surround channel boost when using Dynamic EQ. I guess the development really took a hit when Jeff Clark left. It makes sense why D&M started looking into Dirac, at least it's being actively developed.

The MultiEQX SW is updated regularly. Just had one about two weeks ago. Your feature request is not in it afik

 

[pmar4015]

Still no updates to this software? I've been waiting for the promised feature for turning off the surround channel boost when using Dynamic EQ. I guess the development really took a hit when Jeff Clark left. It makes sense why D&M started looking into Dirac, at least it's being actively developed.

It is true that the latest update (released a few weeks ago) does not contain the ability to delink the surround channels from DEQ however there are other features introduced in the latest release that are quite useful (notably the ability to to turn off the ‘auto leveling’ feature……..see post #2,889) https://www.avsforum.com/threads/audyssey-multeq-x.3228468/page-145#post-62403868

 

[tesseractASR]

After weeks of agonizing over the multitude of AVR choices, just pulled the trigger on a Denon X3800H.

I haven't seen anyone discuss trying both MultiEQ-X and Dirac Full on one AVR. Coming from the only other AVR I've ever owned, the Sherwood Newcastle R972 (Trinnov) and Emotiva separates (Dirac) I want to try Audyssey first. Grateful for this thread.

 

[tjcinnamon]

After weeks of agonizing over the multitude of AVR choices, just pulled the trigger on a Denon X3800H.

I haven't seen anyone discuss trying both MultiEQ-X and Dirac Full on one AVR. Coming from the only other AVR I've ever owned, the Sherwood Newcastle R972 (Trinnov) and Emotiva separates (Dirac) I want to try Audyssey first. Grateful for this thread.

Have you been able to set it up and try it?

 

[tesseractASR]

Have you been able to set it up and try it?

I did get XT32 going, thanks. Downloaded the 'phone app, ran Audyssey, shut off the Midrange Compensation, enabled Dynamic EQ as I live in an apartment, then chose the Reference curve. Sounds pretty darned good, especially the bass. This thread was extremely helpful.

I also uploaded a MS update to my laptop, which knocked out the sound. Couldn't run REW to verify Audysessy's corrections or even play Tidal, which was super annoying. Just finished a lengthy MS Restore. Will get REW up and running, then start editing Audyssey, if needed.

 

[chych7]

Recalibrated my system with the latest MultEQ-X 1.5 version with the ACM-1X calibrated mic. There are some new features available that directly affect the EQ algorithm, which cannot be reproduced in the phone app:
- Disable auto leveling, which lets you set a correct target curve across speakers and subwoofers
- EQ headroom expansion and cut limit control, which allows Audyssey to apply stronger EQ

After verification with REW, I'm quite happy with the results, getting curves that are true to the target. I'm not bothering with REW filter import now.

From youtube video:

 

[tjcinnamon]

Recalibrated my system with the latest MultEQ-X 1.5 version with the ACM-1X calibrated mic. There are some new features available that directly affect the EQ algorithm, which cannot be reproduced in the phone app:
- Disable auto leveling, which lets you set a correct target curve across speakers and subwoofers
- EQ headroom expansion and cut limit control, which allows Audyssey to apply stronger EQ

After verification with REW, I'm quite happy with the results, getting curves that are true to the target. I'm not bothering with REW filter import now.

From youtube video:

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Neat stuff! I’m looking forward to seeing their next features. Seems like Active Room Treatment was a hard no from them. I’m surprised no one asked about phase correction.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Recalibrated my system with the latest MultEQ-X 1.5 version with the ACM-1X calibrated mic. There are some new features available that directly affect the EQ algorithm, which cannot be reproduced in the phone app:
- Disable auto leveling, which lets you set a correct target curve across speakers and subwoofers
- EQ headroom expansion and cut limit control, which allows Audyssey to apply stronger EQ

After verification with REW, I'm quite happy with the results, getting curves that are true to the target. I'm not bothering with REW filter import now.

From youtube video:

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Why do you keep the BBC dip (at 2kHz) in your target curve? Not really needed for most speakers anymore or does your speaker need it?

You could also experiment with a Harman style target curve.

 

[tjcinnamon]

Why do you keep the BBC dip (at 2kHz) in your target curve? Not really needed for most speakers anymore or does your speaker need it?

You could also experiment with a Harman style target curve.

Yeah, I’m not a fan of that dip. Now that i can draw my target curve, I’ll just do that.

 

[chych7]

Why do you keep the BBC dip (at 2kHz) in your target curve? Not really needed for most speakers anymore or does your speaker need it?

You could also experiment with a Harman style target curve.

What? I don't. I took a screenshot from the youtube video (linked in my post) that discusses the new features in MultEQ-X 1.5, that's not my curve (which is a negative sloping Harman-like one).
My Atmos ceiling speakers certainly need the dip; with a tweeter in front of the woofer, a large dip is naturally seen in this range.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

What? I don't. I took a screenshot from the youtube video (linked in my post) that discusses the new features in MultEQ-X 1.5, that's not my curve (which is a negative sloping Harman-like one).
My Atmos ceiling speakers certainly need the dip; with a tweeter in front of the woofer, a large dip is naturally seen in this range.

Got it. I thought is was yours. Nevermind.

 

[JohnAps]

Hello!
Seeing some of @chych7 &
@tjcinnamon replies of the forums i have established that we can disable audyssey corrections for our speakers and work by importing filters and/or target curves from rew, to our speakers for correcting them...
I have a denon avr-2400h with audyssey multeq xt and i wanted to ask of you if the the multeq-x is indeed working with the the rew filters as it should. Meaning do we get the predicted result if we measure again with rew after the import?
Are the filters we upload used as they are or does it convert them to a curve and computes its own filtering or something (probably meaning we dont get exact results from rew - multieqx integration).
Lastly do you happen to know if in older receivers like mine (that have the plain old multeq xt), do these or other important functionalities, like the filter import etc, work in a worse manner?

I am looking to buy the program, but there arent many verifiable information about this.
I was using rew + mobile app with some perfect cal files "hacks" to achieve custom correction while disabling audyssey corrections, and i want to find out if i can do the same but better with multeqx, which i will if multeqx can indeed and truly work with filters and it isnt some gimmicky conversion of the filters which results in the same behavior as the mobile app target curve function...

I sincerely thank you for any conclusive information on this, if you are actively using rew and multeq-x for manual calibration as you will help me have a clear image of the program before i buy.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Hello!
Seeing some of @tjcinnamon replies of the forums i have established that we can disable audyssey corrections for our speakers and work by importing filters and/or target curves from rew, to our speakers for correcting them...
I have a denon avr-2400h with audyssey multeq xt and i wanted to ask of you if the the multeq-x is indeed working with the the rew filters as it should. Meaning do we get the predicted result if we measure again with rew after the import?
Are the filters we upload used as they are or does it convert them to a curve and computes its own filtering or something (probably meaning we dont get exact results from rew - multieqx integration).
Lastly do you happen to know if in older receivers like mine (that have the plain old multeq xt), do these or other important functionalities, like the filter import etc, work in a worse manner?

I am looking to buy the program, but there arent many verifiable information about this.
I was using rew + mobile app with some perfect cal files "hacks" to achieve custom correction while disabling audyssey corrections, and i want to find out if i can do the same but better with multeqx, which i will if multeqx can indeed and truly work with filters and it isnt some gimmicky conversion of the filters which results in the same behavior as the mobile app target curve function...

I sincerely thank you for any conclusive information on this, if you are actively using rew and multeq-x for manual calibration as you will help me have a clear image of the program before i buy.

I don’t think MultiEQX works with your AVR. I think you need at least XT32.

I think you can download the app via the MS Store and get a feel for the UI and the features. But I think you can not connect to any AVR without paying, but I am not sure.

 

[JohnAps]

I don’t think MultiEQX works with your AVR. I think you need at least XT32.

I think you can download the app via the MS Store and get a feel for the UI and the features. But I think you can not connect to any AVR without paying.

It works @HarmonicTHD. Firstly it says that it works with any receiver that the mobile app works and secondly there is a list somewhere with my model in it. Also there are mentions of even plain multeq so i guess xt is okay....
Also i have downloaded the app with the dummy receiver, and i have took a tour on the feeling of the ui and its possibilities, but this doesnt give me any conclusive information about the actual handling of the imported filters and functionality on older receivers...

 

[HarmonicTHD]

It works @HarmonicTHD. Firstly it says that it works with any receiver that the mobile app works and secondly there is a list somewhere with my model in it. Also there are mentions of even plain multeq so i guess xt is okay....

Ok. My bad.

 

[tjcinnamon]

Hello!
Seeing some of @tjcinnamon replies of the forums i have established that we can disable audyssey corrections for our speakers and work by importing filters and/or target curves from rew, to our speakers for correcting them...
I have a denon avr-2400h with audyssey multeq xt and i wanted to ask of you if the the multeq-x is indeed working with the the rew filters as it should. Meaning do we get the predicted result if we measure again with rew after the import?
Are the filters we upload used as they are or does it convert them to a curve and computes its own filtering or something (probably meaning we dont get exact results from rew - multieqx integration).
Lastly do you happen to know if in older receivers like mine (that have the plain old multeq xt), do these or other important functionalities, like the filter import etc, work in a worse manner?

I am looking to buy the program, but there arent many verifiable information about this.
I was using rew + mobile app with some perfect cal files "hacks" to achieve custom correction while disabling audyssey corrections, and i want to find out if i can do the same but better with multeqx, which i will if multeqx can indeed and truly work with filters and it isnt some gimmicky conversion of the filters which results in the same behavior as the mobile app target curve function...

I sincerely thank you for any conclusive information on this, if you are actively using rew and multeq-x for manual calibration as you will help me have a clear image of the program before i buy.

Here are my measurements. They are only single measurements and not averaged so the room is more pronounced. But it's largely as designed.

 

[HarmonicTHD]

Here are my measurements. They are only single measurements and not averaged so the room is more pronounced. But it's largely as designed.

You can do better way than that (with MultiEQX) provided your speakers (and MLP) can do it. Or is this smiley face frequency response how you prefer it?

I get pretty much Harman preference curve (with ca 4 dB low frequency boost) with my setup.

 

[JohnAps]

Here are my measurements. They are only single measurements and not averaged so the room is more pronounced. But it's largely as designed.

Can i find you on social or somewhere to chat a bit about multeq-x? If yes here is my fb page if you can sent me a message i would really appreciate it.

If you cant/wont go into social, can you please answer any of my previous questions, seeing that you are using multeq-x with rew?
Just for clarification this is the order of the question's in my previous post:

1. Can we completely disable audyssey corrections? (If yes, do we still have deq and dyn volume?)
2. Is the processing of the rew filters done in a "pure" way?
(Practically Meaning: do you get the predicted result of the filters when designing them in rew when you remeasure with rew after you apply them in multeqx?)
(Theoretically Meaning: do you know if the filters are processed as is or does multeq-x converts them and tries to approximate them?)
3. Do you happen to know the differences/implications of the multeq-x use in older receivers with the multeq xt version instead of the xt32?

I appreciate any knowledge IF you happen to have in any of the above questions!