fpitas
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The pixie dust settles.If a cable did break in, what about the cable is it that changes during the break in period?
The pixie dust settles.If a cable did break in, what about the cable is it that changes during the break in period?
You are showing less than half a dB worst case at 20 kHz. That simply is not consequential. My frequency response graph is +- 5 dB which I think a much more realistic vertical axis than one that just spans 0.6 dB.I think others on ASR have modeled the FR of a cable+speaker "circuit" using typical LCR values using simulation software, and achieved similar results.
Hello,
Being very familiar with Go-4 for some years here are my remarks (others will follow):
1. Oxidation. Yes, silver does tarnish over time and Aq provides in the box a special cloth to clean it from time to time.
You said this is a borrowed cable. Cable could be 3-5-7... years old. Judging by the DBS system employed this is an older version that proves the cables has certainly an age.
Why is this a surprise for anyone to see oxidation?
2. GO-4 is a 15 AWG cable, why do you compare it with a 12 awg cable ? Let's be rigurous. 1,65 mm2 vs 3.3 mm2 is not the same thing.
You did measure the effect of oxidation on the cable but you forgot about gauge and oversee its importance ?
3 Nobody listens to 1 kHz test tones, dummy loads, cheap chinese amps, I listen to music on higher end equipment.
Is it possible to imagine a relevant test that supports your conclusion?
How high is that end? Does it need pixie dust?I listen to music on higher end equipment.
Since this is your first post you get a pass. ASR is very different from every other Audio site in existence. We are a community of Engineers, Scientists and other professionals who wish to discuss and debate actual Scientific/Engineered derived data and designs that can be verified by the application of science and measurements.Hello,
Being very familiar with Go-4 for some years here are my remarks (others will follow):
1. Oxidation. Yes, silver does tarnish over time and Aq provides in the box a special cloth to clean it from time to time.
You said this is a borrowed cable. Cable could be 3-5-7... years old. Judging by the DBS system employed this is an older version that proves the cables has certainly an age.
Why is this a surprise for anyone to see oxidation?
2. GO-4 is a 15 AWG cable, why do you compare it with a 12 awg cable ? Let's be rigurous. 1,65 mm2 vs 3.3 mm2 is not the same thing.
You did measure the effect of oxidation on the cable but you forgot about gauge and oversee its importance ?
3 Nobody listens to 1 kHz test tones, dummy loads, cheap chinese amps, I listen to music on higher end equipment.
Is it possible to imagine a relevant test that supports your conclusion?
Nicely put. Thank you.Since this is your first post you get a pass. ASR is very different from every other Audio site in existence. We are a community of Engineers, Scientists and other professionals who wish to discuss and debate actual Scientific/Engineered derived data and designs that can be verified by the application of science and measurements.
We rely almost entirely on Engineering and Science. Not feelings, impressions and opinions. Science demands proof of function and performance. If you make any statements or observations, expect to be asked for measurements and/or data that supports your claims/positions. This specific Engineering based Forum model does not suit all visitors. I kindly suggest you do some homework and reading about who and what we are/do here. We’re not being rude or mean. And it’s not personal. We don’t go in for flowery words and fancy tales about how it feels to actually hear it. We want to know exactly how it works and how it measures. If you claim that there are just some things that can’t be measured. Your talking about Science Fiction and we have just not yet achieved the breakthrough knowledge to fully understand the experience. We don’t do Fiction very well here.
Welcome Aboard and please watch your step here. The nights are dark and full of terrors!
Okay, I’ll bite.. I assume your points 1 and 2 you presume to be valid?Right, you don't do fiction, I raised 2 valid points. Instead of a technical debate I get replies like this...
Perhaps we have a failure to communicate, but certainly not a failure to try. Maybe a language barrier exists that might be adding to the confusion.Right, you don't do fiction, I raised 2 valid points. Instead of a technical debate I get replies like this...
You can delete my account if this suits you.
OK, here's my reply. Why should I pay $599 for this cable when it offered no difference from a far cheaper cable?Right, you don't do fiction, I raised 2 valid points. Instead of a technical debate I get replies like this...
You can delete my account if this suits you.
1. Another reason to not buy it.Being very familiar with Go-4 for some years here are my remarks (others will follow):
1. Oxidation. Yes, silver does tarnish over time and Aq provides in the box a special cloth to clean it from time to time.
You said this is a borrowed cable. Cable could be 3-5-7... years old. Judging by the DBS system employed this is an older version that proves the cables has certainly an age.
Why is this a surprise for anyone to see oxidation?
2. GO-4 is a 15 AWG cable, why do you compare it with a 12 awg cable ? Let's be rigurous. 1,65 mm2 vs 3.3 mm2 is not the same thing.
You did measure the effect of oxidation on the cable but you forgot about gauge and oversee its importance ?
3 Nobody listens to 1 kHz test tones, dummy loads, cheap chinese amps, I listen to music on higher end equipment.
Is it possible to imagine a relevant test that supports your conclusion?
Here's our chance to get straight answers about the differences between cables!
Revolutionary? How about revulsionary?
If a $600 speaker cable would start to degrade to the point of being acoustically deficient in as little as 3 years, then that is a horrific design.Hello,
Being very familiar with Go-4 for some years here are my remarks (others will follow):
1. Oxidation. Yes, silver does tarnish over time and Aq provides in the box a special cloth to clean it from time to time.
You said this is a borrowed cable. Cable could be 3-5-7... years old. Judging by the DBS system employed this is an older version that proves the cables has certainly an age.
Why is this a surprise for anyone to see oxidation?
2. GO-4 is a 15 AWG cable, why do you compare it with a 12 awg cable ? Let's be rigurous. 1,65 mm2 vs 3.3 mm2 is not the same thing.
You did measure the effect of oxidation on the cable but you forgot about gauge and oversee its importance ?
3 Nobody listens to 1 kHz test tones, dummy loads, cheap chinese amps, I listen to music on higher end equipment.
Is it possible to imagine a relevant test that supports your conclusion?