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"We train ourselves to be different types of listeners."HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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So, I can’t spell Audiophile. Doh. Again, moving this to a new thread to avoid polluting the OP that got me thinking about this. A couple of events ha...
Yep, Delusional. LOL
That's not really nonsense at all though? You can absolutely train yourself to listen in a different way (focusing more on certain things for example), as well as different people not listening/processing things the same way to begin with whether because of experience/training or even simply differences in acuity of hearing or whatever else. I myself listen very differently from anyone else I know. A professional musician will definitely have a different process going on in their head compared to an entirely untrained individual, just like a pro photographer will look at a photo somewhat differently compared to a layman, or a painter & painting, etc.
Obviously no amount of training can overcome the innate limits of human hearing though, just like no amount of training can make you run 100 meters in 5 seconds.
I can understand the bit about musicians listening differently. They tend to focus on the musicians performance rather than the systems performance.
But other than that, no matter any of our personal differences, when a person listens to a live music performance and then compares it to a reproduction system, the difference between the two are the same for each of us.
I had a bass player come round, he wanted some Green Day put on. He had a listen and his observation was that he could hear the air being moved by the kickdrum in addition to the sound of the drum. He said he hears a 'woosh' of air when in the studio or practice room with the drums next to him, but had never before heard it in replay.
It's not something I would have ever have picked up on in a million years.
The difference in signal is the same, sure, but as said people don't have identical hearing, nor do they process it mentally exactly the same and can focus on and be sensitive to very different things, thus possibly missing or exaggerating specific differences compared to other people for example. Some are far more sensitive to imperfections of any kind, whether in the signal or caused by the listening environment. Etc.
Consider two people listening to an audio system and trying to evaluate how true to life it is. One is a person who has heard and played live music all his life, knows exactly what acoustic instruments sound like in person, etc. The other hasn't heard an acoustic instrument live maybe ever, maybe just a random guitar a few times. How could their listening experience and frame of reference possibly be anywhere near the same? The more experienced listener would be far more sensitive to any deviations, while the layman wouldn't necessarily/likely know what to look for. The layman could still train himself to be more knowledgeable about those instruments through more exposure to live music though, gaining experience and indeed training to listen a bit differently and thus being able to judge the gear better. Sonic memory isn't exactly reliable though, so someone having done it all their life would likely still have the advantage. It's not like you're likely to be in the same space as the band to "A/B" the live performance and the sound system at will!
It all goes back to people not being simple objective measuring devices. Devices don't really learn so for them it's basically the same exact thing every time. For people, not so much. I for one can't claim to be able to judge whether a recording or the equipment it is being played back on is truly neutral and true to life or not, but I can still full well judge if I like the end result subjectively. And I do know a system measuring as neutral sounds good to me, so I can EQ my systems' baseline accordingly without worrying about it too much.
Consider two people listening to an audio system and trying to evaluate how true to life it is. One is a person who has heard and played live music all his life, knows exactly what acoustic instruments sound like in person, etc. The other hasn't heard an acoustic instrument live maybe ever, maybe just a random guitar a few times. How could their listening experience and frame of reference possibly be anywhere near the same? The more experienced listener would be far more sensitive to any deviations, while the layman wouldn't necessarily/likely know what to look for. The layman could still train himself to be more knowledgeable about those instruments through more exposure to live music though, gaining experience and indeed training to listen a bit differently and thus being able to judge the gear better. Sonic memory isn't exactly reliable though, so someone having done it all their life would likely still have the advantage. It's not like you're likely to be in the same space as the band to "A/B" the live performance and the sound system at will!
It all goes back to people not being simple objective measuring devices. Devices don't really learn so for them it's basically the same exact thing every time. For people, not so much. I for one can't claim to be able to judge whether a recording or the equipment it is being played back on is truly neutral and true to life or not, but I can still full well judge if I like the end result subjectively. And I do know a system measuring as neutral sounds good to me, so I can EQ my systems' baseline accordingly without worrying about it too much.
I especially like this: "In a reflective room we literally burn more calories just listening than we do in a dampened room."HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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So, I can’t spell Audiophile. Doh. Again, moving this to a new thread to avoid polluting the OP that got me thinking about this. A couple of events ha...
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So, I can’t spell Audiophile. Doh. Again, moving this to a new thread to avoid polluting the OP that got me thinking about this. A couple of events ha...
This kind of thinking is actually not rare, despite it being utterly false. One quote I've never forgotten from a food science course: "The cleaning woman dusting one shelf of a genius professor's bookcase for three minutes burns far more calories than the great scholar who thinks great thoughts for eight hours."
I've had lots of people refuse to believe that, but it's true.
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At last an intellectual reason for my massive midriff and chronic laziness.
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Or my chronic midriff & massive laziness, perhaps?
It used to work differently but we reversed it some time back and are reaping the rewards....
That is really the only good part to the movie, except for the fact that the 'ow my balls' TV show within it reminds me of 90% of what is on the internet.
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Don't forget YouTube videos with WORTHLESS sound clips for you to listen to. All your hearing is the sound of the reviewers room and recording played back over your system. Since speakers are the biggest (By far) blanket or sound influence in your system, you don't hear anything of what the reviewer is hearing. Biggest waste of time on YouTube. Every time a subjectivist reviewer want s to play sound for me to listen to online, I cringe at the stupidity of it and it happens every day all day long.
Martin Takamine
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"Quackery, gullibility, and open-mindedness" article on stereophile.
Ken1951
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Looked it up, read it. That's two minutes of my life I'll never get back...
Martin Takamine
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I know right. Welcome to the club.
DonR
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The comment section is really entertaining.
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