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Audiophiles, generally don't like class D amps!

Can't you just turn the treble down a little? I have the Klipsch R51-M and I had them toed in. After seeing a review where the reviewer said to toe them straight ahead, I did, and wow, no more harsh tweeters. They sound better than they ever have, jsut that little toe adjustment. It amazed me really.
I have done that with many other speakers as well. It really does matter a lot.
 
I've been hearing about this fatigue for a while now. What is it? How does it manifest itself? Does it make you tired? I mean seriously. How would you describe it to a Doctor?
When I get that, it tends to make me annoyed and unfocused to a degree. It's just . . .annoying. Being annoyed is fatiguing I guess. It's like hearing a background sound you don't like over and over again, where it's almost not annoying, but then it is.
 
When I get that, it tends to make me annoyed and unfocused to a degree. It's just . . .annoying. Being annoyed is fatiguing I guess. It's like hearing a background sound you don't like over and over again, where it's almost not annoying, but then it is.
For me it's kind of like when I just don't want to listen to music anymore. I think it has more to do with the mental state at the time than anything else.
 
Here's an interesting thing... why would a company like Genelec, renowned for their active monitor technology and audio fidelity, use differential amp topologies (Class D for low and mid drivers, Class AB for treble) on many of their flagship full-size monitors?

See here: https://www.genelec.com/main-studio-monitors

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At certain power levels, it may be more economical to achieve the desired output with Class AB rather than Class D? (trebble usually requires far lower power to achieve the required SPL's... lower current, perhaps a well proven Class AB circuit is then more economical)
 
"Science" is a stretch of a label to claim regarding the rejection of individual human auditory preferences as not a real or valid phenomenon.
Science would never try to tell you a subjective empirical experience is not real or valid, subjectively, because subjective empirical experiences are always true (unless the person is lying). Science would ask, "Why are you having that experience?" If that question cannot be answered scientifically, then you simply have a subjective empirical experience, such as, "I am here and now having the experience of white rabbits flying in the room" or "I am here and now having the experience of pain." In that respect, the only thing science can say is (1) "There are no white flying rabbits to any other observers" and (2) "If you honestly declare it, it's categorically true you are here and now having the experience of pain ("here and now" so as to exclude memory becoming a variable).

That said, one would never state that a subjective empirical experience is an objective truth w/o first having the evidence that it really is (which is actually the point).
 
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Looks like Genelec have changed their mind on class D.

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Surprise, surprise. Big companies have a lot of different reasons for their choices. They may have had a room full of AB amps from a few years ago. Guessing why they used one or the other is kind of ignorant.
 
I agree with you 100%. What I don't understand is why there's a weird "ideological compliance team" here trying to say that the only reason I've experienced this is some sort of personal bias unrelated to what I actually hear.
There is a big difference between "I hear x" and "I hear what I take to be x." The first is an objective statement, the second is a subjective statement. There is no counter argument to a subjective empircal statement. They are always subejctively true, e.g., "I am here and now having the experience of x." However, people can legitimately call into question memory, but if what you hear repeats itself then memory isn't a variable. It is wise for us to always remember that the opposite is also true: We can't claim that subjective empirical experiences are objectively true, either.
 
Surprise, surprise. Big companies have a lot of different reasons for their choices. They may have had a room full of AB amps from a few years ago. Guessing why they used one or the other is kind of ignorant.
Yeah. I also suspect it has more to do with stock, availability and price than anything else.
 
Yeah. I also suspect it has more to do with stock, availability and price than anything else.
Sure. My boss has us use up expensive parts when they will work ok. Duh!
 
Well. At the end of the day it's business. I know it's not romantic but that's always the decider.
And, I bet the old AB and the new class D sound just about the same.
 
And, I bet the old AB and the new class D sound just about the same.
It depends.. I would never buy an amp I wasn't sure was load independent. And more class D than class B has turned out to be load dependent.
Edit: so I stick with A/B for now as I like my Dirac to be correct.
 
It depends.. I would never buy an amp I wasn't sure was load independent. And more class D than class B has turned out to be load dependent.
Edit: so I stick with A/B for now as I like my Dirac to be correct.
Whatever your experience, I bet Genelec was fairly careful. I find it hard to believe they bought any old class D and shoved it in, hoping for the best.
 
Whatever your experience, I bet Genelec was fairly careful. I find it hard to believe they bought any old class D and shoved it in, hoping for the best.
Well. Maybe they did. And dsp'ed it.
 
When I get that, it tends to make me annoyed and unfocused to a degree. It's just . . .annoying. Being annoyed is fatiguing I guess. It's like hearing a background sound you don't like over and over again, where it's almost not annoying, but then it is.
All of this could be from a million things. Maybe you were hangry? Maybe you didn't sleep well?

I mean seriously.
 
Was it subjectively satisfying? :D
Haha, yeah I would say so.

Science is partly subjective in the way that scientist as a community choose what to investigate. Science also implicate value judgements and depends on funding, grants etc. But I guess this is not very relevant for this discussion.. (is there a science/philosophy sub-category/thread on this forum?)
 
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