Audiolab 6000CDT, bright sounding, burn in time?

[Mal]

Well hopefully you’ve put that to bed. There’s nothing to gain from ‘upgrading’ from your current transports...

Maybe there is - if he's hearing a difference then perhaps he'll hear a difference if he gets another transport, and that might be a difference that favours the transport...

 

[JeremyFife]

First of all, that is not a proper burn in technique for transports. You can't just leave the player playing random music because there could be serious consequences.
Let's just hope your player isn't ruined.
You need to prepare music material in advance and you have to do it in order. Before you even start playing some music, you need to play 10 minutes of pink noise so that you try to negate the damage of random music playing.

You said that the sound is clinical? Then you need to start with mid bass, so play some 50s Jazz and use only Impulse and Bluenote releases. Think Miles, Coltrane... 60hours
After that you need only 30 to 40 hours of 2000s minimal techno for sub bass.
Now the hard part is to open up those kicks and to solidify the bass and for that you need some 80 hours of drum n bass.
All this is good for the bass, but it will close up some mids, and to reopen them, you must play 40 hours of male crooners from 40s to 60s like Sinatra, Dean Martin, Early Bennet... But please, no Michael Buble or you will mess up the imaging.
Now finally for silky smooth upper mids and highs you can play modern jazz female vocals like Nicki Parrott, Emilie-Claire Barlow and similar. 40 hours will do it.

The important note is that you can't just let the player play without you listening or you will develop something which is called the Cold Burn and that will mean that your player would be unburninable anymore.
Also, you should own original CDs of the material, but play only the burned copies because it will burn in the player without wearing out the motor. And please, use only 8x burn speed for CDs, not the 16X or you will cause overburn.

Good luck!

Hopefully this is meant as a joke?

 

[Mart68]

Maybe there is - if he's hearing a difference then perhaps he'll hear a difference if he gets another transport, and that might be a difference that favours the transport...

False impressions don't tend to be permanent

I thought the TEAC transport sounded a little different to the 6000 when I got it. Being aware how unlikely that is I dismissed it as bias even though I 'heard' it.

A year later someone wanted to buy the Audiolab so I stuck it back in to check it was still working. Compared it again to the TEAC and this time I heard no difference.

 

[Mal]

The only reason for audible differences in sound would have to be caused by excessive jitter on the SPDIF outputs,
But your DAC seems rather immune to that, see screenshot of Amir‘s measurements here.

Hopefully this is meant as a joke?

A long winded and not very funny one - it's hard enough ploughing through all the techie stuff on this forum, do we really need to put up with this as well!

 

[DSJR]

And that presupposes that there is a 'sound' to get used to! A CD transport doesn't and can't have a sound, nor can any half-competent piece of electronics.
A myth constantly propagated by the 'experts' to boost their credibility and egos.

S.

I used to suggest leaving a brand-new CD player on repeat overnight, this PURELY to check the mechanism was working properly as the few failures we had (and there were a few) would happen in the first few hours of use (infant mortality). If they survived that, we very rarely ever saw them again.

 

[DSJR]

First of all, that is not a proper burn in technique for transports. You can't just leave the player playing random music because there could be serious consequences.
Let's just hope your player isn't ruined.
You need to prepare music material in advance and you have to do it in order. Before you even start playing some music, you need to play 10 minutes of pink noise so that you try to negate the damage of random music playing.

You said that the sound is clinical? Then you need to start with mid bass, so play some 50s Jazz and use only Impulse and Bluenote releases. Think Miles, Coltrane... 60hours
After that you need only 30 to 40 hours of 2000s minimal techno for sub bass.
Now the hard part is to open up those kicks and to solidify the bass and for that you need some 80 hours of drum n bass.
All this is good for the bass, but it will close up some mids, and to reopen them, you must play 40 hours of male crooners from 40s to 60s like Sinatra, Dean Martin, Early Bennet... But please, no Michael Buble or you will mess up the imaging.
Now finally for silky smooth upper mids and highs you can play modern jazz female vocals like Nicki Parrott, Emilie-Claire Barlow and similar. 40 hours will do it.

The important note is that you can't just let the player play without you listening or you will develop something which is called the Cold Burn and that will mean that your player would be unburninable anymore.
Also, you should own original CDs of the material, but play only the burned copies because it will burn in the player without wearing out the motor. And please, use only 8x burn speed for CDs, not the 16X or you will cause overburn.

Good luck!

This IS a joke, right? You need the laughing smiley

 

[polmuaddib]

I am very much against emoticons. If I need them, then it means my joke failed... or is it a joke?

 

[kemmler3D]

According to the information online from various audio experts, 200 to 300 hours of burn in time is required for audio equipment, cable & etc & some even go beyond that!

This is a scam to get you to keep the equipment beyond the return window, it's a total farce based on (if anything at all) misinterpreting the process of acclimating to a new sound.

 

[kotc]

I am very much against emoticons. If I need them, then it means my joke failed... or is it a joke?

 

[antcollinet]

You even have retailers, manufacturers offering burn in service for audio cables!

People will do anything for you if they can convince you to part with more money.

 

[antcollinet]

I am very much against emoticons. If I need them, then it means my joke failed... or is it a joke?

Heard of Poe's law?

 

[VintageFlanker]

I’ll stick with the 99.99% of this forum member’s replies, burning in period is a myth!

If we're still talking about burn-in of a transport, DAC or cables, that is actually 100%.

By the way, this is not an opinion, it's a fact. People here support reality, not mysticism.

 

[kotc]

People will do anything for you if they can convince you to part with more money.

What really puzzles me with cable burn in service offered by these audio retailers, manufacturers is how would you know it has been done?

 

[kemmler3D]

how would you know it has been done?

If the electrical properties of the cable could be shown to have changed before / after burn-in, maybe you could verify this.

I'm not an engineer, but I don't know of any way you can get a cable to change resistance / capacitance / inductance (or anything else) by playing music or noise through it.

 

[DanielT]

What really puzzles me with cable burn in service offered by these audio retailers, manufacturers is how would you know it has been done?

You're onto something.

Check out the video below starting at 8:25 where exactly what you're thinking about is covered regaring cryo frozen vaccum tubes:

 

[antcollinet]

What really puzzles me with cable burn in service offered by these audio retailers, manufacturers is how would you know it has been done?

They give you all the veils that have been lifted in a little paper bag.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

What really puzzles me with cable burn in service offered by these audio retailers, manufacturers is how would you know it has been done?

Obviously you'll hear it..

 

[polmuaddib]

Heard of Poe's law?

No, I haven't but I just read about it. Thanks.
I still think I don't need emoticon for the absurdity I wrote. Emoticon would strip it of ambiguity.
Besides, I am not sure I support this Poe's Law... it is the enemy of creativity IMHO.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-satirists-strongly-dislike-the-concept-of-Poes-Law-or-the-usage-of-sarcasm-markers-on-internet-posts

Please, I meant no offense to OP. This is just a bit of harmless fun.
But I did want to address the impossible claims, that some high end audio company make so that they can sell the product, with plastic example.
I am genuinly surprised how a lot of intelligent and educated people fall for that.

Now, my text was not meant to be funny, but provoking. How many people, on some classic HiFi forums where they believe various mumbo jumbo, would have followed my recipe?

 

[audio_tony]

I'm always amused by claims that electronics require a burn in period.

Consider a modern car, with all the onboard electronics - the fact that the electronics work fine in sub zero / scorching hot temperatures and the car performs as expected from new, I think one can rest assured that burn in periods are not required.

If anything, some electronics in a car can deteriorate over a long period of time (decades) but that's unsurprising given the harsh operating conditions.

And yet some audio enthusiasts still believe that audio electronics require a burn in period...

 

[xaviescacs]

When I bought my RME DAC I kept my previous headphone amp. Then I started to do comparisons and finally ended up selling the old one, just to stop squandering my time and going nuts. My advice is, get rid of that transport and enjoy your music. Upgrade your speakers or work in your room if you are curious