Audiocontrol Hyperion Processor

[Highfidelity]

Kal is always there when there’s multichannel and Ravenna talk. Remember this thread from 9 years ago Kal? Wow did I ever piss the industry off with that thread. Got me banned. But I read it again today and seen your posts.

RAVENNA The new benchmark in consumer digital audio systems

Very exciting press release today that’s going to transform the landscape of modern consumer audio systems. http://www.merging.com/news/news-stories/merging-innovation-at-high-end-munich-2017

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[Highfidelity]

Wow how did I miss this press release?

Merging Technologies | News Story | Steinway Lyngdorf elevates audio excellence with Merging Technologies' ZMAN module

Steinway Lyngdorf (SL Audio A/S), a renowned pioneer in audio technology, was founded in Denmark by audio innovator Peter Lyngdorf in 2005. Under the prestigious brand icons of Steinway & Sons and Lyngdorf Audio, the brand designs, develops, and manufactures cutting-edge sound systems and...

www.merging.com

 

[PGAMiami]

Works with Apple RC.

Kal, the Okto also can learn commands from other remotes. Very convenient. I need 10 channels though. Do you know whether two can be set up as a single output device on a Mac such that 1) the IR remote adjusts them both simultaneously and 2) Roon would see them as a multi channel DAC?

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Kal, the Okto also can learn commands from other remotes. Very convenient. I need 10 channels though. Do you know whether two can be set up as a single output device on a Mac such that 1) the IR remote adjusts them both simultaneously and 2) Roon would see them as a multi channel DAC?

I doubt the former will work well but the latter is possible.

 

[welwynnick]

....... I need 10 channels though. Do you know whether two can be set up as a single output device on a Mac such that 1) the IR remote adjusts them both simultaneously and 2) Roon would see them as a multi channel DAC?

This is all I know, but Okto seem to have been thinking of you all along. Owners who received the "OKTO Research Autumn 2024 Newsletter" got the following news:

"Announcing Support for Parallel Operation

Another highlight at our booth will be a live demonstration of three dac8 PRO units operating in parallel, combined into a single aggregate USB device. This setup delivers 24 channels of audio, supporting up to 192kHz/32-bit resolution. The clocks are synchronized via AES/EBU, ensuring zero clock drift and phase shift, while volume control is unified across all units and fully managed from the master DAC.

This feature opens up many possibilities for home cinema and multichannel audio setups and will be included in the upcoming firmware release."

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Wow! I did not see that (or maybe I forgot that I did). Was that using a Mac for aggregation or, somehow, with a WinPC?

 

[PGAMiami]

Kal, not sure whether this has been asked and answered. Does Dirac offer ART on a Mac? If not the I guess the question becomes (for now) what’s more important, ART or avoiding SRC.

 

[welwynnick]

Wow! I did not see that (or maybe I forgot that I did). Was that using a Mac for aggregation or, somehow, with a WinPC?

I think the latest discussion is from post 92 onwards in the Okto DSP update thread:

Okto DAC8 update with DSP

Do you have suggestions for an audio interface to sync both the analog mic and Okto, or can I use the Motu for that (in addition to trying it as a dac)? Which MOTU do you have? I use a MOTU Ultralite Mk5 or RME Fireface 800, I purchased those interfaces for other reasons, but they have plenty...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Kal, not sure whether this has been asked and answered. Does Dirac offer ART on a Mac? If not the I guess the question becomes (for now) what’s more important, ART or avoiding SRC.

Yes. They do.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

I think the latest discussion is from post 92 onwards in the Okto DSP update thread:

Okto DAC8 update with DSP

Do you have suggestions for an audio interface to sync both the analog mic and Okto, or can I use the Motu for that (in addition to trying it as a dac)? Which MOTU do you have? I use a MOTU Ultralite Mk5 or RME Fireface 800, I purchased those interfaces for other reasons, but they have plenty...

www.audiosciencereview.com

OK. I followed that.

 

[Highfidelity]

This is all I know, but Okto seem to have been thinking of you all along. Owners who received the "OKTO Research Autumn 2024 Newsletter" got the following news:

Cool they implemented that. But that would make for one hell of a mess of analog XLR cables! I prefer a single run of 2mm thick lossless fiber Ethernet cable to connect from the AVP to my DAC/amps personally. Also only costs pennies a meter, and can do runs of 100km without losses.

 

[welwynnick]

But that would make for one hell of a mess of analog XLR cables!

Yes, but the DACs are synchronised to the source.

 

[Highfidelity]

Yes, but the DACs are synchronised to the source.

They also are when Dante or Ravenna is used. Audiocontrol makes a full lineup of amps where this concept can be used. Minus the fibre inputs, ES9039pro DACs and Purifi 1ET6525SA based amps I prefer. But similar concept to what I’ve been doing for years now. DAC/amps all on 1 box. Dante input. Clock sync between every amp:

Director M6800D with Dante

16-Channel DSP Matrix Amplifier AudioControl Director® M Series amplifiers are among the highest-powered, most flexible multi-zone amplifiers worldwide, designed exclusively for commercial and residential custom integrators. In the most demanding applications for all system amplification and IP...

www.avproglobal.com

 

[Highfidelity]

For folks who want a real simple setup, the Bijou 5100D has an CEC compliant e-ARC input, Atmos decoding, 5 amp channels, and Dante output to sync with additional dac/amps on the network. Limited in channels/power, but amazing concept.

Bijou 5100D

Bijou Series Five-Channel Integrated Amplifier with Line-level Subwoofer Output and Dante Audio The Bijou 5100D leads the Bijou Series range and features Dante audio support as its cherry on top. Five GaN semiconductor channels turbocharge the 5100D into a mini home theater powerhouse. All Bijou...

www.avproglobal.com

 

[Highfidelity]

What I like about AVpro is they’ve been heavy into Dante for years. They’re the only ones who actually fully understand how a 21st century multi-room AV system should interconnect and function. Trinnov on the other hand wanted to adopt Dante/Ravenna into their processors about as much as JPmorgan wanted to adopt Bitcoin into their ecosystem. Trinnov did it because someone convinced them if they didn’t their brand would be dead within 5 years. This is why when the Trinnov CEO does presentations on the Altitude CI he almost seems angry he’s promoting a product he never wanted to build.

 

[welwynnick]

Yes, but the DACs are synchronised to the source.

They also are when Dante or Ravenna is used.

I don't know or care about Ravenna as that's probably going nowhere. Regarding Dante, I refer you back to your own post:

The main question is how is it possible for Dante DEP running on the VID 1X1 to be assigned leader clock when DEP isn’t capable of being the leader clock? If the leader clock is a product downstream of the source it won’t be in sync with the HDMI video. And it certainly won’t have the ability to switch sample rates on the fly to match the content sample rate, even with SRC, if it’s locked to the clock of a downstream device set to a fixed rate.

And that of Glenn Dickins, who I think we both respect:

Boy, this is right in my domain.
This is at the core of what creates interesting issues with HDMI -> AoIP.
Unless you are in production, a HDMI source is a free running clock intermittent. And AoIP needs a stable clock.
Taking the HDMI timing and pushing that out to AoIP would not be wise - or very stable downstream.
So generally, all cases of HDMI -> Dante/AES67 will be going through some form of ASRC.

 

[Highfidelity]

The clocking issue we were discussing with the VID 1X1 was only because it uses a software based Dante implementation. The Storm, Trinnov, Audiocontrol and Lyngdorf systems all use hardware based Dante/Ravenna boards. So they can be used as the Grandmaster or leaderclocks in the network. Where software based implementations must slave to leaderclocks that are located in other pieces of gear on the network.

 

[Highfidelity]

Watch the video of the Altitude CI presentation I shared and pay attention when Arnaud talks about how pointless it would be to implement software based Dante/Ravenna into their Altitude 16/32 like they promised for years (scroll to 33:30 in the video where he addresses this question specifically. And scroll back 5 seconds before that and note the irony when Arnaud says he likes to keep promises ). Even though they promised it to their clients for 5 years. I was the first (or I should say only one) to shout from the mountaintops over on AVSforums that it was a pipe dream that they would be able to make that work. And now for the first time ever Arnaud admits it himself.

2 years ago I said this. But mentioned it first in 2021:

https://www.avsforum.com/posts/63011188/

 

[Highfidelity]

So with all that said, a keen observer might think, if software based audio over ip can’t work right with AVP’s, why did Trinnov implement software based AES67/Ravenna alongside the proper hardware based Dante board in the CI? The reason is for commercial theatre applications which use Dolby server/processors such as the IMS3000 and CP950.

Dolby Integrated Media Server IMS3000

Experience movies with superior sound using IMS3000, Dolby's innovating integrated media server that is a relaible imaging server and audio processor rolled into one.

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Dolby Cinema Processor CP950

The Dolby Cinema Processor CP950 is our newest solution in Dolby’s esteemed, market-leading, lineage of cinema processors, developed to deliver more of the capabilities you want and less of the ones you don’t in a flexible, modular, cost-efficient solution.

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It uses native AES67 Dolby calls “Dolbyconnect” not Dante. And as it comes before the Trinnov, and uses hardware based boards for “grandmaster” or “leaderclock” ability, the Trinnov can slave to it and keep the clocking in sync. But if the source in your system isn’t an IMS3000/CP950, you’ll need to use Dante if you want it to work properly.

 

[PGAMiami]

Getting back to the topic of this thread, assuming the APR-16 does what the specs say, it should be an excellent one box solution that should help one avoid many of the complications from multi box and computer based solutions.