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Audiocontrol Hyperion Processor

I am guessing the AES3 outputs will be the closest to source, more than the analog. They didn't talk much about those in the video.
Then the question becomes - how interoperable are AES3 based bits of kit?

I can swap in my 1980's vintage amps replacing my 2010 vintage amps... everything works together just fine (within gain / line level constraints - which are well known and understood)

Due to constant change, the AOIP world simply has not matured... (or has it... sitting on the sidelines, I may have missed signs of real progress!)

Line level (and balanced XLR line levels) made the move from Studio/Pro use to home/consumer/hobby in the 1960's... when can we expect an equivalent for AOIP?

Integra had a Dante capable AVR in the previous generation... discontinued in the current generation - clearly there was little or no interest in the feature... this won't really become viable for all of us Hobby/DIY people, until it becomes ubiquitous! (with all that that implies)
 
Uh oh. I just read the PDF again and noticed a must-have-for-me (Auro 3D) appears to be missing. Hopefully that is an oversight. Auro’s upmixer is a crucial feature.
 
Then the question becomes - how interoperable are AES3 based bits of kit?
I am guessing the AES3 outputs will be the closest to source, more than the analog. They didn't talk much about those in the video.
That's where I'm heading.
I was rather disappointed that the Trinnov discussion focussed on Dante, while the best solution IMHO is sitting there right alongside.
HDMI, USB and Dante are complex interfaces with high data rates and complex protocols and clocking structures. They seem to me to compromise sonics.
AES3 is the opposite - it's relatively old, slow, robust, bit-perfect and simple, it's well established, and it just works.
You don't need a training course first, but I've just done a bit of a refresher as I was starting to doubt my memory.
To the best of my knowledge AES3 is a synchronous unidirectional digital audio connection that can carry one or two channels at a variety of sample rates.
The digital audio is transmitted in blocks, and the start of the block has a preamble that allows the receiver to be synchronised to the source.
The source defines the audio format being transmitted, so the receiver knows what it has to process, and the format can be changed on the fly.
Digital audio consists of audio data and audio clock, and the clock is embedded, and travels from the source to the receiver. That means the source sits unambiguously at the top of the clocking hierarchy, the timing information flows downwards throughout the system until it reaches the DACs, and everything is synchronised to the source.
It also means that the embedded clock is slightly corrupted by the audio data itself, causing jitter. It would have been simple to get round that by having a physically separate clock connection, like I2S. There were a few proprietary solutions, but they were never really standardised like AES/EBU. It took much longer than those-that-believe-everything-they-read realised, but the better DACs are now good enough at clock recovery to get over that.
The advantage of this old, flawed, imperfect architecture is that everything is synchronised to the source, which is how it ought to be.
You can use SRC if you want to, but unlike Dante, you don't have to.

Kal Rubinson put it much more succinctly at the beginning of the Nuprime H16-AIP thread on Audiophile Style:
Yes and another point to recognize is that, to play nicely in the real world, all devices should be able to reset their sampling rates in response to that of the incoming signal.
 
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AES3 has been around in some form on AV processors for ages. I'm sure the year 2000 ish Proceed AVP had it as an input. The trouble is that it's never really been needed or economically sensible which is why it's only ever appeared on high end gear that crosses into the pro market where it has been a requirement.
Dante has come along and overtaken it in adoption because it's a "good" quality audio interface that can shove all those 128 audio streams down a single cat cable.
So where AES3 can give you very high quality audio in really only the more niche high end hifi 2 channel or cinema scenarios, Dante works everywhere and that's where most of the products and money are.
 
Uh oh. I just read the PDF again and noticed a must-have-for-me (Auro 3D) appears to be missing. Hopefully that is an oversight. Auro’s upmixer is a crucial feature.
There is according to this pic:
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The units won't have Auro3D at launch. They are capable and it can be added later subject to market demand. I had queried this exactly with them this morning and that was the answer I was given.
 
The units won't have Auro3D at launch. They are capable and it can be added later subject to market demand. I had queried this exactly with them this morning and that was the answer I was given.
Maybe a deal breaker....
I have Auro 3D on my SDP-58 released years ago. It's also on the AV10 which will have Dirac ART.
 
The units won't have Auro3D at launch. They are capable and it can be added later subject to market demand. I had queried this exactly with them this morning and that was the answer I was given.
Definitely appreciate the direct and candid answer, though I liked @poopy’s answer better.

No Auro3D and my interest evaporates.
 
AES3 on the DPR-16 looks great for use with a mixed active/passive speaker HT setup… Okto DAC8Pro an obvious choice for dumping 8 channels of clean analogue from AES3/EBU (surrounds and heights anyone?).

Not clear to me how one derives AES3 from the twin Ethernet ports on the DPR-16 though, any ideas? Will we get lucky and it’s a dumb ‘1 twisted pair = 2 AES channels’ kind of conversion?
 
Not clear to me how one derives AES3 from the twin Ethernet ports on the DPR-16 though, any ideas? Will we get lucky and it’s a dumb ‘1 twisted pair = 2 AES channels’ kind of conversion?
Perhaps they use AES/EBU Type 1E like Storm Audio?

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You can ask @Kal Rubinson

AES3 on the DPR-16 looks great for use with a mixed active/passive speaker HT setup… Okto DAC8Pro an obvious choice for dumping 8 channels of clean analogue from AES3/EBU (surrounds and heights anyone?).

Not clear to me how one derives AES3 from the twin Ethernet ports on the DPR-16 though, any ideas? Will we get lucky and it’s a dumb ‘1 twisted pair = 2 AES channels’ kind of conversion?
If H16-AES fails me, that's my next thing to try also. And if that fails me, then trinnov CI lol. Though just moving to trinnov CI might save me some ewaste
 
Not clear to me how one derives AES3 from the twin Ethernet ports on the DPR-16 though, any ideas? Will we get lucky and it’s a dumb ‘1 twisted pair = 2 AES channels’ kind of conversion?
Likely via AES72. No conversions necessary. Only proper wiring.
 
Can one send 16 channels via Dante/AES67 to the DR-16 to use Dirac ART?
For instance sent from a PC with a virtual sound card AES67.
 
Likely via AES72. No conversions necessary. Only proper wiring.
Kal, curious as to your expectations for how the DACs in the APR will perform vs. external DACs like the Merging or Okto. Also, thoughts on Dirac ART vs. Audiolense convolution with 50,000+ taps. Finally, will the APR allow one to easily play high definition multichannel audio? Would Roon work using HDMI input from a NUC.
 
Just know the specs.
 
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