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That side is mostly just manufacturer policy. Asked genelec and they are still repairing the speakers over 30 years ago without problem. Buchardt mentioned their A300
Backplate is design that if it goes bad, user can get a new plate amp from them and easily self fix or upgrade it, and it can fix their speakers as long as drivers are available
Genelec and ATC are similarly good about long term product support, generally speaking. You have to be in the pro space.
 

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In a vinyl based system, the importance of the source was once easily proved in demonstration (even using a CD as a reference!).
That's why I had written:
Nope, decent electronics and digital sources which are transparent (i.e. have no audible differences) are trivial to make since decades. The differences in loudspeakers, room acoustics and analogue sources are the ones where by orders of magnitudes flaws can happen and where most efforts should be concentrated to.
 
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Does anyone know what's this on the driver?
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No idea, I don't know anything about ATC's sub drivers.
 

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Unrelated, I would love it if one of the design engineers at ATC would chime in here.
 

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Every chain in the hifi system is important , sometimes the source or amplifiers have a big impact of the sound. This is not rocket-science.:)
Of course, rocket science is a very different sector than audio reproduction. Wondering why did you even mention this here?
 
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Of course, rocket science is a very different sector than audio reproduction. Wondering why did you even mention this here?
 

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Northward came to speak on this forum and only unpacked banalities.
I'm not talking about Northward or WSDG or whoever. I'm talking about the people who actually designed the speakers.
 

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does it count when the objective measurements of them don't really catch up with how the competition evolves through past 20 years?
Are you saying their customers would continue buying ATC if they sounded like the competition?
Why do you think people gobble up all the product ATC can produce today?
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Are you saying their customers would continue buying ATC if they sounded like the competition?
Why do you think people gobble up all the product ATC can produce today?
well for purchase decisions, especially with few to no published data of the product, most buys on the big names, and when one believes it should sound phenominal due to the name, it usually will be a keeper. Frankly it's just more on brand bias than actual special, blind test choice for 99% consumers. Considering how the SCM19 V1 measured here have a mid shelve and while their other speakers don't, the V2 I found on goolge seems go opposite with a 1-3khz dip, which it don't seem like a house curve either.

when brand preference is the thing I believe one day if they make the directivity etc. same as the competition, buyers will continue to chase after the brand. one example is how many ppl still chose the Yamaha HS series due to the legendary NS10 (which is a bad speaker).
 

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does it count when the objective measurements of them don't really catch up with how the competition evolves through past 20 years?
Yes, you could say that. :)

But I think you are using the measurements the wrong way. It seems like you are looking at the measurements and then ruling out some speakers and other products, just based on the visualization of the measurement protocols without doing the follow-up listening test to determine if the measured imperfections really can be heard in real life.

I don't think ATC will ever be a company who are chasing the numbers for the sake of it, they seem to be more concerned about a good transient response, low distortion, and a generally higher dynamic capability than most other speakers. You know, things that have a real impact on the musical reproduction performance for people actually interested in listening to music.


P.S. There's nothing wrong with being interested in HiFi without an actual interest in music, there are many people who are highly interested in cars without being particularly interested in actually driving them. :)
 

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Yes, you could say that. :)

But I think you are using the measurements the wrong way. It seems like you are looking at the measurements and then ruling out some speakers and other products, just based on the visualization of the measurement protocols without doing the follow-up listening test to determine if the measured imperfections really can be heard in real life.

I don't think ATC will ever be a company who are chasing the numbers for the sake of it, they seem to be more concerned about a good transient response, low distortion, and a generally higher dynamic capability than most other speakers. You know, things that have a real impact on the musical reproduction performance for people actually interested in listening to music.


P.S. There's nothing wrong with being interested in HiFi without an actual interest in music, there are many people who are highly interested in cars without being particularly interested in actually driving them. :)
well, I listen to music at least 2 hrs straight any day before sleep, so I believe I am not that not interested to music. for ATC I did once listen in a Hifi friend's home, he got a pair of Vivid Giya G1 and then get a loan pair ATC SCM50 and magnipan 3.7i. the magnipan sounded weird and then the Giya being the best, ATC never got me impressed, the tonal balance shift quite noticeably when walking around, plus the bass is really not impressive for it's size, that part did make the mids in vocal music more stand out but still, unimpressive.

As for dynamics, I know it isn’t the legendary ATC mid, but it’s still is the ATC in house woofer from SCM19.
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Didn’t really look like it will got better transient compared to entry level, analogue 8030C


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It’s still a pretty decent speaker, but don’t really convinced ATC is doing better in those departments while sacrificing directivity (off axis uniformity) or on axis flatness compared to similar driver size competitors
 
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well, I listen to music at least 2 hrs straight any day before sleep, so I believe I am not that not interested to music. for ATC I did once listen in a Hifi friend's home, he got a pair of Vivid Giya G1 and then get a loan pair ATC SCM50 and magnipan 3.7i. the magnipan sounded weird and then the Giya being the best, ATC never got me impressed, the tonal balance shift quite noticeably when walking around, plus the bass is really not impressive for it's size, that part did make the mids in vocal music more stand out but still, unimpressive.

As for dynamics, I know it isn’t the legendary ATC mid, but it’s still is the ATC in house woofer from SCM19.
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Didn’t really look like it will got better transient compared to entry level, analogue 8030C


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It’s still a pretty decent speaker, but don’t really convinced ATC is doing better in those departments while sacrificing directivity (off axis uniformity) or on axis flatness compared to similar driver size competitors
I don't have much to say about the SCM19. Never heard neither the new version or the old one you’re referring to. I have never heard the Genelec 8030C, therefore I have no comments about the speaker’s dynamic capabilities or the transient response.

I don't speculate that much about anything I have no practical experience with.
When it comes to my SCM40, they have a better dynamic performance than any other similar-sized speaker I’ve had a chance to listen to.

You seem to avoid talking about the dynamic aspect. I think that's the most overlooked thing when it comes to loudspeakers, something that is a very important aspect for music in general, and that most speakers can’t reproduce.
 
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well, I listen to music at least 2 hrs straight any day before sleep, so I believe I am not that not interested to music. for ATC I did once listen in a Hifi friend's home, he got a pair of Vivid Giya G1 and then get a loan pair ATC SCM50 and magnipan 3.7i. the magnipan sounded weird and then the Giya being the best, ATC never got me impressed, the tonal balance shift quite noticeably when walking around, plus the bass is really not impressive for it's size, that part did make the mids in vocal music more stand out but still, unimpressive.

As for dynamics, I know it isn’t the legendary ATC mid, but it’s still is the ATC in house woofer from SCM19.
View attachment 227603

Didn’t really look like it will got better transient compared to entry level, analogue 8030C


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It’s still a pretty decent speaker, but don’t really convinced ATC is doing better in those departments while sacrificing directivity (off axis uniformity) or on axis flatness compared to similar driver size competitors

SCM19 is a 6.5", 8030C has over an inch less in diameter for the midwoofer. So this is really quite humiliating.

Cue the handwavy appeals to b-but acoustic suspension, b-but transient response without any psychoacoustic evidence.
 

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When walking around?
SCM19 is a 6.5", 8030C has over an inch less in diameter for the midwoofer. So this is really quite humiliating.

Cue the handwavy appeals to b-but acoustic suspension, b-but transient response without any psychoacoustic evidence.
But the 5db noise (a weighted ) at 1m is not.Hm... Btw the ELAC drb62 trounces it at half the price.
 
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