Torbachkristensen
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Thanks. But I think there is not much more to discuss. This link to carefully crossed and DSP optimized setup, was the perfect illustration of the differences of approach and experience - I can look at that (reasonably good) FR, great SR, great GD and overall very impressive measurements, and then take one look at the room pictures and instantly deduct that this was a setup solely made to measure flat at LP, and nothing else. It is all for show, and has nothing to do with proper interest in music reproduction. You take one look at the RT60 you see what is wrong - this is an acoustically mediocre room, with unbalanced decay time, and all this flat response is just for show. The sound in room will be nothing like what most of the measurements indicate, and any kind of constant directivity advantages have been ruined by the scattered sources, that will only work in relation to 1 measuring point in the room, and hence is not really practically useable. Much like what Klaus Heinz points out.
I will not engage in further discussion here, as I find the disregard of bigger ATC’s as valid designs on the basis of 1 compact 3-way model (the problems can be deducted just from looking at the front driver layout and cabinet design), and low interest in what creates great room integration, and why Constant Directivity and DSP is not the only tool to mediate room problems, and certainly shouldn’t be the first. The ATC110 measurements posted are completely raw in-room, without a single EQ move to flatten the response, and completely free of room modes, from just turning on the speakers and measuring. Whenever I have the time to do proper measurements, I will certainly get back and post them so the OP has some valid and up-to-date info to base an opinion on. I suspect directivity to quite a lot better on ATC50/100/110/150. I will measure and find out at some point. Maybe Amir will have a pair on the bench in the meantime.
And to expand on what some others here have stated, a lot of pro users, especially mixing engineers, ultimately do purchase speakers based on what they make them do to the audio material, and not how they ultimately sound or measure. Yes, it should be an attribute for studio monitors to have relatively even FR, but probably the most popular mix speaker has been the NS10, followed by the Proac Studio 100, both of which are not very accurate or extended, but appreciated for how they present music, at least by older generations. ATC's have in recent years gotten quite popular as a mixing tool, and used to be seen primarily in mastering for it's fast and accurate lowend and how wide a spectrum the Mid dome covers, without compromising dynamics. Whether they are good are not, I think has been debated enough.
Thanx for a lively discussion - very… informative And BTW, the JBL M2 is a freakin awsome speaker!
I will not engage in further discussion here, as I find the disregard of bigger ATC’s as valid designs on the basis of 1 compact 3-way model (the problems can be deducted just from looking at the front driver layout and cabinet design), and low interest in what creates great room integration, and why Constant Directivity and DSP is not the only tool to mediate room problems, and certainly shouldn’t be the first. The ATC110 measurements posted are completely raw in-room, without a single EQ move to flatten the response, and completely free of room modes, from just turning on the speakers and measuring. Whenever I have the time to do proper measurements, I will certainly get back and post them so the OP has some valid and up-to-date info to base an opinion on. I suspect directivity to quite a lot better on ATC50/100/110/150. I will measure and find out at some point. Maybe Amir will have a pair on the bench in the meantime.
And to expand on what some others here have stated, a lot of pro users, especially mixing engineers, ultimately do purchase speakers based on what they make them do to the audio material, and not how they ultimately sound or measure. Yes, it should be an attribute for studio monitors to have relatively even FR, but probably the most popular mix speaker has been the NS10, followed by the Proac Studio 100, both of which are not very accurate or extended, but appreciated for how they present music, at least by older generations. ATC's have in recent years gotten quite popular as a mixing tool, and used to be seen primarily in mastering for it's fast and accurate lowend and how wide a spectrum the Mid dome covers, without compromising dynamics. Whether they are good are not, I think has been debated enough.
Thanx for a lively discussion - very… informative And BTW, the JBL M2 is a freakin awsome speaker!
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