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ATC speakers / Monitors

I would like to see some IMD measurements of the larger 3-way ATC-s, I bet they would produce low distortions.
As would I. I expect them to be rather close to the Revival Atalante 5 in terms of that Erin measured in terms of MD, but with a less screwy frequency response (because ATC bothers flush mounting their drivers and rounding over the corners, lol).
 
But you assume the set of compromises ATC selects for is the best we can do, and is equally valid or legitimate to any other. Patently not the case. Not for the price. And not for even a lower price.

The apologism and complete refusal to acknowledge the evidence is frankly tiresome and anti-intellectual.
It may very well be the case. This site and the people on it are terrible at analysis. How do you determine the order of importance?
 
Which of the modern design criteria does this fullfil:
DSP? CTC spacing? driver waveguides? diffraction optimised baffle?
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Which of the modern design criteria does this fullfil:
DSP? CTC spacing? driver waveguides? diffraction optimised baffle?View attachment 458801
CTC spacing, because smaller spacing is not always better (except for coaxials) and some diffraction optimization (offset tweeter placing on the baffle).
Moreover probably have low distortion numbers.

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BTW, I know what you mean.
 
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Why are ATCs so popular in studios even though They cost more than Genelec/Neumann?
 
We (as typical users) can only theorize about this here. It would be great to hear from recording/mastering engineers who use these in their work.
 
Why are ATCs so popular in studios even though They cost more than Genelec/Neumann?

I would argue they aren't popular in studios and those that do have them are an exception rather than the rule. I would wager genelec/nuemann adoption is far greater than ATC. The studios with ATC tend to be quite fancy and follow a more traditional approach of being a large dedicated studio, while the vast majority of musicians and engineers are working in smaller home studios.
 
I would argue they aren't popular in studios and those that do have them are an exception rather than the rule. I would wager genelec/nuemann adoption is far greater than ATC. The studios with ATC tend to be quite fancy and follow a more traditional approach of being a large dedicated studio, while the vast majority of musicians and engineers are working in smaller home studios.
They're fairly common in pro settings (a lot of LA and Nashville mixers, for example, use them in their mix rooms) but they're certainly not ubiquitous. I also see a lot of PMC, Neumann, Genelec. Everything else is less common.
 
Why are ATCs so popular in studios even though They cost more than Genelec/Neumann?

“Branded” studios require “branded” gear. ATC falls among the top “branded” speakers. I have watched quite a few studio visit videos on YT, many of these visits the host always point out the top “branded” gears as well as unique gears they have.
 
I would argue they aren't popular in studios and those that do have them are an exception rather than the rule. I would wager genelec/nuemann adoption is far greater than ATC. The studios with ATC tend to be quite fancy and follow a more traditional approach of being a large dedicated studio, while the vast majority of musicians and engineers are working in smaller home studios.
Are you saying professionals use ATC semi-professionals and amateurs use Genelec/Neumann?

I would say it is true that Neumann and Genelec are more popular in home studios as they make smaller models that are cheaper. I had KH120s for a long while and they were the best in their price range IMO.

But once you hit ATC25a size and above, then ATC seems more popular. I see way more of them in studios than KH310s.
 
It takes less than 5 minutes of Internet research to find out how popular ATC monitors are. If you don't have 5 minute...the answer is "very popular".
 
This audio industry is quite special in the sense that so many men do not look to the future, but simply follow the quality standards of ancient times. The intelligence of the average person is only a hobby for so many people. But knowledge does not want to take control of how to make their own hobby smarter in terms of sound reproduction to the highest and most enjoyable quality.

Perhaps so many people love shine and colors and shapes in their audio equipment more than a learned understanding of how sound reproduction adapts better to your living room. Acoustic problems do not even come to mind, nor optimized solutions. Too lazy people adapt to old doctrines and the new doctrine does not want to fit into their brains in any way, as if this were some kind of Elon Musk rocket science, which it is not. Certain speakers/brands have simply lagged far behind human development, and are limited in this and that in many applications and rooms.

Mediocrity does not take you far.
 
Are you saying professionals use ATC semi-professionals and amateurs use Genelec/Neumann?

Nah.

My point was that within the vast number of people making and mixing content these days, the percentage of people using ATC is going to be quite low. Big studios are going to way of the dodo, outside of a few genres that simply need space to work, you don't need them to make/mix music. The distinction of pro vs. semi-pro vs. amateur is a blurry line that gets more blurred every day. Hard to really define when we live in a world where someone with a laptop and some budget monitors can become a hit. Music production is a bit of an enigma full of exceptions to the rule. I'd argue the only thing that really matters if adoption. If people are listening then you're doing things right. You could also define pro as "makes money" if you want, but many people with excellent skills don't really make much.

I would say it is true that Neumann and Genelec are more popular in home studios as they make smaller models that are cheaper.

I'd add to that, and say they sound better too. Genelec/Nuemann to me are an example of a completely utilitarian speaker, nothing extra is there that doesn't need to be there. They manage to make speakers with better performance metrics than stuff 10x the price without any gimmicks or nonsense marketing. That's one reason I respect them far more than I will ever respect ATC.


“Branded” studios require “branded” gear. ATC falls among the top “branded” speakers. I have watched quite a few studio visit videos on YT, many of these visits the host always point out the top “branded” gears as well as unique gears they have.

Really good point. Once you get to a certain price bracket of work, people want to see the famous stuff. People often think the pro world doesn't fall victim to the nonsense the home audio world tends to fall for, but they do. It's just a different set of nonsense and expectations.
 
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I'd add to that, and say they sound better too. Genelec/Nuemann to me are an example of a completely utilitarian speaker, nothing extra is there that doesn't need to be there. They manage to make speakers with better performance metrics than stuff 10x the price without any gimmicks or nonsense marketing. That's one reason I respect them far more than I will ever respect ATC.

It has never been a significant leap in loudspeaker design, regardless of brand, and they all still primarily use the same basic driver technology as the very first loudspeakers made, and other design aspects of loudspeakers don't really make a big difference, or a difference at all, in real-world user scenarios. If Genelec/Neumann speakers were truly that much better than ATC speakers for studio use, where are the results of that? Can anyone point me to any research showing that music productions are generally better using Genelec/Neumann speakers than using ATC speakers?

All talk about this loudspeakers being so much better than that loudspeakers is just bullshit, it has no bearing in real-world use. For some people, a Genelec monitor will be the perfect tool, and for others, that will be a Neumann speaker, while the same is true for people who prefer using ATC speakers. Different tools for different people, that's why you see great audio engineers using all types of different speaker brands, because all of them measure, in the ballpark, good enough. The result is more down to the skills of the audio engineers than what monitor brand they choose to use.

Kisses and hugs. ;)
 
This audio industry is quite special in the sense that so many men do not look to the future, but simply follow the quality standards of ancient times. The intelligence of the average person is only a hobby for so many people. But knowledge does not want to take control of how to make their own hobby smarter in terms of sound reproduction to the highest and most enjoyable quality.

Perhaps so many people love shine and colors and shapes in their audio equipment more than a learned understanding of how sound reproduction adapts better to your living room. Acoustic problems do not even come to mind, nor optimized solutions. Too lazy people adapt to old doctrines and the new doctrine does not want to fit into their brains in any way, as if this were some kind of Elon Musk rocket science, which it is not. Certain speakers/brands have simply lagged far behind human development, and are limited in this and that in many applications and rooms.

Mediocrity does not take you far.
Is this what you call advanced speaker design?
 

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main 1237a, rear surround 8260a, 8340a, subwoover 7071a.

The pictures are a few months old, and now I'm in another apartment, but today I can't clean up for a few pictures. Let's go with these when the setting is almost the same.

ATC models slightly smaller and larger than the sizes. I don't know the models.
Don't the battens in your home made grilles defeat the object of smooth waveguides on tweeter and mid driver?
 
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