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The company needs to provide measurements for its speakers. Without it, a ding against them is justified and appropriate especially in the market they normally live in.
Yes, certainly for a company using a "pro" reputation as a major part of their marketing.The company needs to provide measurements for its speakers. Without it, a ding against them is justified and appropriate especially in the market they normally live in.
TAD are state of the art drive units are their speakers exceptional? Not from what i have heardYes and I will point out that in a £2000 speaker expect no more than £200 be spent in parts. So can we please stop bringing up state of the art drive units in a comparison to these?
ATC client list:I've always thought that ATC, with their "pro" market, were much bigger than the usual boutique makers, with R&D facilities to match. Have I had this wrong all this time?
I agree with everything else you say. It often looks as if some "have their knives out" ready to attack, as if they already "knew" that ATCs were overpriced and overrated. I'm just baffled (sorry!) by the apparently poor showing here.
Exactly!TAD are state of the art drive units are their speakers exceptional? Not from what i have heard
ATC client list:
http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/client-list/
Are they all deaf?
I do not question the measurements but a speaker is more than fr measurements.Do all speakers with the same fr sound the same? Psychoacoustics and the room are a major factor too. As you say this is one speaker measured we need to see more of their speakers measured to have an idea of what is going on.
With regard to amplifier power, a greater concern to me would be current supplying ability.
They will not sound the same, but flatter anechoic results result in higher preference levels. That's why this ATC isn't very good.I do not question the measurements but a speaker is more than fr measurements.Do all speakers with the same fr sound the same? Psychoacoustics and the room are a major factor too. As you say this is one speaker measured we need to see more of their speakers measured to have an idea of what is going on.
Its also about the loudspeaker design. The M106 uses cheap drivers, yet easily outperforms these ATC's. TAD could be just very good at designing loudspeakers (haven't seen measurements). You have to understand there is more to loudspeakers than just the drivers.TAD are state of the art drive units are their speakers exceptional? Not from what i have heard
ATC client list:
http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/client-list/
Are they all deaf?
TAD are state of the art drive units are their speakers exceptional? Not from what i have heard
ATC client list:
http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/client-list/
Are they all deaf?
TAD are state of the art drive units are their speakers exceptional? Not from what i have heard
ATC client list:
http://atcloudspeakers.co.uk/client-list/
Are they all deaf?
The history of ASR's analysis of Schitt's is a perfect case in point. Some products scored poorly, some well. But once they started paying attention to the reviews the performance appears to have improved greatly. There are counter examples as well. Best not dwell on them.I made no judgement about the whole company. Each speaker though is a section in the resume of a company and based on this one, I would not hire them for the job. I am sure over time we will get other samples of their speakers and we can then conclude what we want about them as a whole.
Is that console sucking the bass lol.Please read my posts about their bassI've worked in many studios with ATC monitors and have personally owned their SCM25A 3-way. ATC's are not known by audio engineers for their low-end response, and because of that many studios use subs in conjunction with ATC's (even with their largest speakers). You can see this in Northward Acoustic designed studios -- the two subs are used to fill out the octaves below 60hz.
Funny enough, many monitors used by engineers are NOT very flat at all. Frequency response is only one element of a speaker that an engineer finds useful. And never forget the famous Yamaha NS-10 monitor is still used by some of the biggest mixing engineers in the world...
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Have you heard them and which model?What did not you like?You don't have to be deaf to buy or use bad speakers, just tricked by their marketing/hype.
I'm sure there are many studios/engineers out there using objectively bad equipment.
I did not write the part about amplifiers.What i find wrong is to judge the Brand from this model does this make them a better company: https://www.hifinews.com/content/atc-scm100se-loudspeaker-lab-reportIf Amir's 500W@8ohm/1000W@4ohm isn't enough then I doubt ATC's mere 300W@8ohm (they don't spec 4 ohm) amplifiers can supply more current. Why would ATC build such low power amplifiers? /s
They will not sound the same, but flatter anechoic results result in higher preference levels. That's why this ATC isn't very good.
Its also about the loudspeaker design. The M106 uses cheap drivers, yet easily outperforms these ATC's. TAD could be just very good at designing loudspeakers (haven't seen measurements). You have to understand there is more to loudspeakers than just the drivers.
No big mix engineer found I have read about found it great though, it just had 2 big plus points, it was found all over the world so it was good cross-check when being in a different studio and due to its mid peak it would resemble tonally many poor kitchen and car audio systems of that time and therefore was used as a final compatibility check and got also the comment "if it sounds good on NS10s then it'll sound good on anything".And never forget the famous Yamaha NS-10 monitor is still used by some of the biggest mixing engineers in the world...
You said Amir's amplifier wasn't powerful enough. If his isn't powerful enough, than ATC's own amplifier is also not powerful enough.So you would buy any speaker with flat fr is that right?
I did not write the part about amplifiers.What i find wrong is to judge the Brand from this model does this make them a better company: https://www.hifinews.com/content/atc-scm100se-loudspeaker-lab-report
Ok lets talk about Magnepan the best treble...Just kidding-Ok, ATC is a great company except for this one speaker model. Can we just move on now?
Not meYou said Amir's amplifier wasn't powerful enough. If his isn't powerful enough, than ATC's own amplifier is also not powerful enough.
Have you heard them and which model?What did not you like?