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agnostic1er

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Hello,

I'm living in France and would like to have some of my diy speakers tested on a Klippel equipment but shipping to the US poses too many logistical problems.
So do you know of a website that offers this type of service in Europe for free?
Thanks.
 
So do you know of a website that offers this type of service in Europe for free?
Not currently.

If one existed, then ASR member @anphex wouldn't've sent his NuVero 60 all the way from Germany across the pond:
 
So do you know of a website that offers this type of service in Europe for free?
For free? No. No one tests speakers for free, here or otherwise. Erin and I test speakers for free that we can review. But not prototype testing.
 
Andreas Dausend is in Germany and can help you out, but not for free.

 
Thanks for your replies.
I'm an unprofessional speaker diyer and I make my own on and off-axis measurements using ARTA and Vituix, so I'm not searching for tools to help me designing speakers. My quest was only because I just wanted to compare my measurements to Klippel SPINorama measurements, in the same way amirm made it with XMechanik's Mechano23 speaker for exemple.
 
Thanks for your replies.
I'm an unprofessional speaker diyer and I make my own on and off-axis measurements using ARTA and Vituix, so I'm not searching for tools to help me designing speakers. My quest was only because I just wanted to compare my measurements to Klippel SPINorama measurements, in the same way amirm made it with XMechanik's Mechano23 speaker for exemple.
What would be the value of testing a one-off DIY design? Who besides of yourself would be interested in such a test that requires time, effort, and expertise and be attracted enough to bring at least partial monetization, so it could justify not charging you for the request?
 
We were carrying out and carrying out speaker measurements well before the arrival of Knippel...the methods and precautions to take are well known...and the hardware is really democratized in addition...
;-)
 
Thanks for your replies.
I'm an unprofessional speaker diyer and I make my own on and off-axis measurements using ARTA and Vituix, ... wanted to compare my measurements to Klippel SPINorama measurements, ...
What would be the value of testing a one-off DIY design? Who besides of yourself would be interested ...
This is not against you, @agnostic1er, the spinorama is decidedly set up to estimate the prospected market success. Not less, but for sure not more. People always misunderstand this in trying to interpret the spinorama as an objective quality certificate.

Once you set yourself free from this, you may want to tailor your DIY design to your own very needs, not to other peoples' preferences. I know how hard it is to have preferences that can be reproduced over the days ;-) You start to tweak here, then somewhere else and more sooner than later it never ends; it's a rabbit hole, it's DIY *gg*

a) Measure direct radiation, make it flat.
b) Measure off-axis response, estimating early reflections, make them 'good enough'
c) return to (a) until (a) and (b) converge
d) roughly adjust in-room response, 'steady state', diffuse to a softly falling slope
e) return to (a) until (a), (b), (d) converge
f) adjust bass independently

With an algorithm like that, and I cannot emphasize the term GOOD ENOUGH too much, you've got a speaker pair that will outperform each and every industrial offer.

Last step is to step back and just enjoy interesting fresh music, it is done at some time, good enough for whom it's for: yourself.
 
OK guys,

Indeed, I realize I was probably a little naive in assuming that the owner of a $100,000 Klippel unit could take measurements for free. On that I couldn't shake the helpfulness of a forum.
Anyway, thank you to those who were kind to me, especially GD Fan who understood my initial question very well.
@Heinrich: I agree with the design process you mentioned. However, I also noticed that the "predicted in-room" and "power response" curves calculated by Vituix allow me to save a lot of time in designing my passive filters.
 
@Heinrich: I agree with the design process you mentioned. However, I also noticed that the "predicted in-room" and "power response" curves calculated by Vituix allow me to save a lot of time in designing my passive filters.
Where I come from: done DIY ever since, but stopped, because I cannot compete with the better part of the industry on several problems. What I do now is to explore alternative paths. E/g mini speakers going down to 20Hz, real, not idealistic targets (https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/sealed-mini-speaker-3-way.61896/)

Doing the latter I gained a lot of experience with measuring, evaluation of my needs, e/g distortion perception as an individual quest - in some sense measuring myself, and so forth.

When it comes to "predicted" speaker response, well, as said, I rather go for bespoke tailoring, if that makes sense.

Good luck! cu

This, unexpectedly, has essential musical content down to 30Hz, worth a try while not getting muddy?

 
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