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ASR MEMBERS: What System Would YOU Choose To Blow Away Non-Audiophiles?

Maybe a pair of Dynaudio Focus 10s with nice stands, and room acoustics alleviated via Dynaudio's included Dirac-capability. As long as there's network connection in the room, the only other thing needed is a mobile phone, or a tablet for UI.

The point of demonstration: You don't need to buy living room aesthetics destroying HiFi-set with monster speakers to achieve excellent sound quality.
 
Cuple of slapps and Wavelet to IEM's they are wearing. Then just nod my head cuple of times to their initial impressions and move along. If they afterwards come willing to talk we have serious conversation about it. You can write what ever you want but doing so and with top end equipment you will hardly win anyone's interest. Doing it for them freely and explaining it to them they can get there with what they already use or with a pair of not expensive IEM's makes a lot more sense and some will develop interest in their own speaker system in the future and some will bite into it fully in time because they love music.
 
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A top grade studio control room when recording a band.
 
i have not met a casual music listener who would appreciate the qualitative difference between dutch 8c and bose boozpods or whatever. i think it’s because they listen to music, not equipment. actually, I fault myself for sometimes losing sight of that.
This is very true. Casual listeners are impressed alright but not enough to be bothered. Our Genelecs and dsps may sound genuinely better to them but the difference is not at all that great and musically significant as we audiophiles would like to believe.
 
Cost is no object, dream up whatever system you'd think would wow the subjects and demonstrate what can be done. So it's your chance to represent High End Audio in an article, what do you choose?

I think anything that would make that 'High End Audio' experience more accessible to the general masses would be my approach, and I'd happily use my JBL708Ps, each sitting on top of an old round long throw10" HSU Research subwoofer to show what is within reach for most.

Keeping with the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle, no reason to go further than the Denon 3700 as the front end, dial in the room with Audyssey and you're good to go. Plug in a Chromecast Audio Puck and I've got a relatively cheap, stealthy little setup that I believe would surprise many.

I would happily compare that system with pretty much anything out there, and don't feel it would be embarrassed.

Gotta break the perception that only high price can give exceptional sound.
 
Halcro Eclipse amps and big Rockports in a big-ish nicely treated room.
 
Wasn't sure how to phrase the thread title but...

I was re-visiting a couple ASR threads discussing some articles about audiophiles and high end audio. I'm sure many remember the discussions of this article:

Audiophilia and its discontents

Jazz kissas in Japan are great, they usually have a uniquely worthy atmosphere. Referring to the picture of the Harpers article, which I didn't read in full. I also once went to a Jazz Kissa in Okayama, but the owner has since passed away.

I enjoyed impressing 'audiophiles' at performances even more, because it's harder than impressing 'non-audiophiles'
 
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ultimately a waste of time

i had guests at my dad's place who was impressed with the sound coming out of his spare TV room non name set

I had a logitech z623 setup with a hidden sub....


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Pretty much anything that is ok quality and set up well will impress people. I have a cheap system in my office that has led to people at work buying systems for themselves. But blow them away?

I can do two things that shock people. First, I can tow ONE of my AV speakers out about 10 degrees (at 12 feet from the listening position). That returns the center to center, and at the cost of a bit of smearing, makes the sound stage HUGE. Beyond the side walls, and floor to ceiling. (odd room, btw).

But what really does it is if I set up some stand mounts (my surround speakers) about 10 feet into the room, then tell them to "Walk between the little speakers and tell me how much of the sound is coming out of the big speakers." They walk and STOP when the pass the stand mounts, because they literally are standing in the sound stage. It is that shocking to them. Then they will go up to the AV speakers and put their ear to them.

They are, of course, not playing at all. Then I tell them the amp/dac/speakers were less than $400. And they think it sounds very, very real.

The interactivity of the exercise is what really puts it over the top, in terms of effect. That, plus the AV speakers are big, the stand mounts are small. They expect big sound out of big speakers, but not small ones. So I set them up with the big ones, and then shock them with the small ones.
 
Highly resonant bass with audible air velocity, rolled off treble and very little resolution. "WOW, the bass is amazing"

Non enthusiasts just don't get it..

Floyd Toole said " They only want Bass" and (understanding) "Hi fidelity sound is a learned thing" also - " the sound of each recording is what is, we shouldn't alter it but accept it" - not exact quote

Some of us don't even bother demoing our system to most people. Of course there are exceptions, and occasionally I'm surprised, the persons comments shows that he/she understands and is actually enjoying an accurate 2 channel sound system.
 
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The New York Times visit Ojas:


Great example. Devon Turnbull is one of the few young people (hipsters?) who transport the old school of audio into the modern age and make a kind of 'art' out of it. If I were in New York, I might go and see him.
 
It's a good question.

I would probably settle for Genelec W371A+8351B in stereo in a fairly live room with a well controlled mid/low end. This imaginary room is a living room with perfect bass and no standing wave issues. Some DSP to dial in a tilt.

Another idea is to replace those speakers with JBL CBT1000+1000E (which I have not heard). Would need a fairly tall ceiling for that.

Suitable amount of sub power to go along with either one.

I find my dream systems so boring and straightforward. I think about the music I like and it's all stereo. I do not believe any spatial audio or multichannel system to be worth it at the moment, in my experience. I wish I could say otherwise. There are too many issues to do with channel balance vs. listening position, especially, and sound movement has a tendency to feel blurry. I also don't like that almost everything comes from the center channel in standard multichannel, although the clarity is very nice.

Last month I was at a SOTA immersive facility at Ircam's l'Espace de projection in France. Underwhelming. The level of precision you can get with two channel frontal presentation for a small group at home or multichannel for one person simply does not scale up.
 
Really? Every casual music listener, or “non-audiophile” who has listened to my systems over the years has been blown away. Even the typical “oh I don t know anything about this stuff and probably won’t be able to hear a difference” types. I know I’m far from alone.
I'm under the impression that people compare unconscious their system with systems they listen too. Most cases people like their own system sound more despite they have a lousy room acoustic not corrected. Probably most of them are hooked on their defected sound and don't know how it should/could sound. But they don't care not their priority.
 
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Last month I was at a SOTA immersive facility at Ircam's l'Espace de projection in France. Underwhelming. The level of precision you can get with two channel frontal presentation for a small group at home or multichannel for one person simply does not scale up.
I've also been to the Ircam in Paris and often to the Klangdom at the ZKM in Karlsruhe (better). There are compositions that make perfect use of the multi-channel system from all sides. You can't reproduce this in stereo.
 
Probably most of them are hooked on their defected sound and don't know how it should/could sound.
This could be a negative prejudice. It is simply an assumption. It would be better if you described concrete experiences that you made.
 
I've also been to the Ircam in Paris and often to the Klangdom at the ZKM in Karlsruhe (better). There are compositions that make perfect use of the multi-channel system from all sides. You can't reproduce this in stereo.
I wish I was there to hear those compositions.

I wouldn't disagree. But what is much more valuable with music is consistency and accessibility.
 
In the end though... what really is "high-end audio"? It always seems to be about cost and appearances... not always high fidelity audio reproduction.


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Costume, appearances and social distinction.
 
This could be a negative prejudice. It is simply an assumption. It would be better if you described concrete experiences that you made.
Agreed i had better stated "Probably defected sound..." but have a look at my mancave measurment. If you see such measurment an listen to the uncorrected sound you can make a judgement in a second. Unfortunately most consumer rooms are not treated or DSP corrected. But what I stated before it is not a priority for many an who am i to disagree;)
 

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